SH5 System Req's?

[TDK1044]

Ubisoft's definition of a mid range rig and the definition that a hard core gamer would use are two totally different things.

As I understand it, SHV is being optimized to be more efficient than SHIV, and 2 GIGs of RAM will run it perfectly smoothly. A dual core processor at 3 GHz running with a mid range 512MB video card will also run the game smoothly... at the lower end of the screen resolution scale (1280 X 1024)

Ubisoft knows that about 90 percent of the people who purchase this game are not members of Forums like this, and they are not going to upgrade their computer in order to play it. So in order for Ubisoft to make money, the specs for this game will be a little higher than SHIV, but not radically higher.

Simple as that really.

[cappy70]

Yes exactly, a lot of people will not upgrade a computer just for one game and/or hardcore gamers upgrade in "cycles"...so if Ubisoft want that extra "tji-ching" they must balance the game so that when it the shelves, anybody with a setup that is "normal", i.e. the average PC one finds at your local mall, will be able to run the game.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Agreed.

Except that the avarage pc nowdays is dual core, 4gb ram, geforce series 7 and above.

At least everybody I know have that sort of computer. Which is pretty normal, based on nowdays computer prices. You can get that configuration for $500 or less.

I might be wrong, but I think its kinda high hopes to think you'll run the game satisfatorily with 2gb ram.

I explain why.

They said the recommended settings to run SH3 was 512mb ram. Im having trouble running with 2gb. Sure we have add lots of mods and such, but still.

They said SH4 was based on SH3, an improvment. They also said SH5 is based on SH4. Unless it have a new spetacular code that is able to use the computer in a MUCH MORE reliable way. If they really improved the code, yes, 2gb ram will do. If they don't, and if you're running vista, and if its basically an improved version of SH4, I bet my ass that you won't be able to run it satisfatorily with 2gb ram. Ram makes such a difference nowdays. Its useless to have a good processor and a good videocard if you dont have enough ram. The computer will start using the pagefile, and we all know how things get sloooooowww when that happens.

a big thing with your systems ram is the opperating system you use,

xp uses 512mb ram just to run it so your 2bg ram = 1.5gb usable ram.
(when used with a 1gb video card this would be ok but not for highest settings)

vista/win7 uses 1gb ram just to run it so your 2gb ram = 1gb usable ram.
(when used with a 1gb video card this would be bare minimum for running on low settings)

so xp users should be ok with 2gb ram as long as they have a 1gb video card but 4gb would definately be much better for sure especially since ram is so cheap now.

vista/win7 users have no real choice because 1gb usable ram isnt enough so vista users "have to" have 4 gb ram and 6 or 8gb is my choice for vista.

i would say a good 90% of people who build their own computer or have one built for them will still use xp and not go with vista or win7 but they also will most choose to go with 4gb ram unless its a dedicated gaming rig.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

I really don't see any reason why don't go for vista.
Soon softwares wont support XP anymore.
Considering that changing OS is cost zero for most people.
Vista is so much better then XP.

[darkone999]

Hi all..been lurking here for a while..here is a good site to check charts and stuff for cpu,video cards,etc..(http://www.tomshardware.com/us/) hope its ok to post link..I run a AMD athlon 64x2 duel core 5600+ with 4gig ram and 8600gt with 256 meg ram(I oc video card gpu about 140mhz and memory about the same) 750 gig sata2 HD..I use win xp with sp2..I run all the latest games on medium settings even crysis.....the only thing here i will need is a new video card like 9600gt with one gig of ram.Tiger direct is selling them for about $100.00 usa money..I should be set for another year or two then..Anyway check the site above you may be surprised to find the duel cores do great at gameing my amd athlon 64x2 5600+ out preformed several of the higher priced quad core cpu's on the gamring front..My point here is do some research and save some money..

Tim

[darkone999]

The thing to remember is windows XP is fine with duelcore cpu when it come to quadcore u need vista or win7..Here is what I would do.. if like me u still love window XP.

1.buy two drives and make one vista/win7 and the other xp..thats what I do.
-----or----
2.Make two partitions on one drive with one having vista/win7 and one with xp..

you then can use bios or software to pick what drive/partition u want to boot from.Its easy to do...

...philipp Thomsen... is right when it comes to gameing vista/win7 will out preform windows XP now and even more in the future..Vista/win7 are higher bit OS systems and they handle duelcore and the new quadcore and above cpu's like a charm...win xp is fadeing so us windows XP lovers will have to get used to it..

TIM

Originally Posted by darkone999

The thing to remember is windows XP is fine with duelcore cpu when it come to quadcore u need vista or win7..TIM

welcome to the forums, and we also welcome your opinions but whoever told you that was smoking something illegal lol

if a cpu is a 1 core, 2 core, or 4 core it doesnt matter what operating system you use.

cpu's and motherboards are matched, motherboards and ram are matched, but operating systems and cpu's have nothing to do with each other and never did and never will.

you might see a difference in speed but thats because vista/win7 is a ram hog and is slower than xp with the same amount of ram not faster so maybe if you said vista "needs" a quad core so its not so slow then i might go along with that idea but not that you need vista to use a quad core.

i've been running a quad core on xp for 5 years so is it going to blow up tomorrow?

[Philipp_Thomsen]

But have you been using XP 64 bits?

If not, you're taking just half the speed ur processor can generate. So each core is working at 50% capacity tops.

Thats why I think vista is better. Cos vista 64 rulez, while XP 64 sucks badly.

[Adriatico]

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

if a cpu is a 1 core, 2 core, or 4 core it doesnt matter what operating system you use.

cpu's and motherboards are matched, motherboards and ram are matched, but operating systems and cpu's have nothing to do with each other and never did and never will.

you might see a difference in speed but thats because vista/win7 is a ram hog and is slower than xp with the same amount of ram not faster so maybe if you said vista "needs" a quad core so its not so slow then i might go along with that idea but not that you need vista to use a quad core.

i've been running a quad core on xp for 5 years so is it going to blow up tomorrow?

Win7 ( Dx11 ) should be better for Quad core utilisation, according to announcements...

"Essentially, it enables DirectX for the first time to actually make full use of multiple cores and multiple program threads, without developers having to employ a kind of flagging technique to accomplish it. The best illustration of this I've found is a beautiful rendering test by game developer Rory Driscoll. Here, after explaining why DirectX's existing multithreading support can actually slow processing down due to the crazy way it handles scheduling, Driscoll demonstrates how the new architecture lets game developers plan out a more sensible schedule of rendering threads, with some "immediate" and others "deferred," with DX11 marshalling the distribution of the sequence automatically."

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

you might see a difference in speed but thats because vista/win7 is a ram hog and is slower than xp with the same amount of ram not faster so maybe if you said vista "needs" a quad core so its not so slow then i might go along with that idea but not that you need vista to use a quad core.

making better use of the quad core is not the same as saying you need to have vista to use a quad core , thats my only point

[JU_88]

While Vista is a bit of a resource hog, Windows 7 is much more effcient.
remember that Vista and Windows 7 do have one distinct advantage over XP, they can cope with larger amounts of RAM
I have 4GB in my system, but as far as XP is concerned I only have 3! (It can only handle 3GB)

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Has nothing to do with Vista or XP.

Has to do with being 32 or 64 bits.

Any 32 bit OS will only support 4gb total, including your vga mem.

Any 64 bit OS will support 17.2 billion gb. Yes, BILLION.

A 64 bit OS can do whatever a 32 OS can do, only better, including hardware usage.

I don't see ANY reason why to stick with a 32 bit OS.

I have a computer in the living room to run blu-ray movies I download. The computer is plugged into a Sony Bravia 40", which is 1920x1080 resolution. The sound is 5.1. When I first tried out, it had Vista 32 installed. The video sometimes would get choppy, and the audio was absolutly choppy, you couldnt distinguish a word. I thought I would need a faster processor and more ram, but after installing Vista 64 in the same computer, it runs all the movies and encodes audio 5.1 on-the-fly like a charm, with the processor usage always below 25%. Same computer, only different OS.

If the new SH5 can take advantage of a 64 bit OS (and probably will), and if you have a 32 bit OS, any software you install won't be able to use the 64 bit capability of your processor, hence not running at full cpu capacity. What's the purpose on buying a V8 if you will disable 4 cilynders as soon as you get home?

[vedrand]

Originally Posted by maerean_m

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The game will run on Windows 7, even the 64bit edition.

Is there any reason to believe this will not be the case? I am asking because I want to order the game but not until I am certain about the 64bit part!

[cappy70]

Most new games that at least go back some years ( 3 - 6) run 90% of the time "no problems" on Vista, due to the "x86 Folder" ( I'm simplifing explantion here on purpose) where the game install like a back compability in the Vista enviroment.
Now, if it runs in Vista it will run to 99,5% in Win 7.
For example; see the Nvidia drivers in 64-bit that has the same v. numbers in both Vista and Win7 versions.

So bottomline: Be sure that SH5 will run just fine in Vista or Win7.
I think this will be the "easy" back compability, that it will run just super on both Vista and WIn7 32 bit or not and/or 64 bit or not.

Now, 32 bit and/or 64 bit will be another storyline when it comes to taking advantage of what hardware and usage of the enviroment where the hardware operates. The more games that hit the shelves, (read:"newer releases" ) will of course take more and more advantage of the 64-bit enviroment and handling.