poll concerning small charge for big mod and alot of work

[KiloAlpha4]

Ok I've been contemplating selling the completed mod for $5 dollars U.S. plus shipping. Of course it is to cover the cd prices etc. End price is roughly 15 dollars U.S. (have to check to make sure) to send internationally and is insured for 60 Dollars. I would most likely do the transactions through paypal and money order for people who can't use paypal. I was also thinking for ease of the community of possibly adding all current up to date mods as well on the cd. I may also incorporate their installs into my mod main install for further ease for the user. Note that my own completed mod will be approx 300+ megs in size. Let me know what you guys think.

The mod will have:

-of course all graphics done, planes, ships, subs,interior work etc etc and multiple skin choices
-new or upgraded sounds
-new multiple skies, moon, land, trees etc etc
-whatever else I can throw in there lol
-new missions

Future mod additions/updates of course would be free.

The end list is a big one so you'll have to wait until completion for a final of the changes

Don't flip out it's just a idea. Remember it's hundreds of hours of work that is going into this mod.

It could be a problem for some people. It all depends on where one lives. The problem is that in some countries there are quite high additional cost for example money transfer and the shipping costs for the CD in some cases could be much higher than the actual product price.

[kriller2]

I think I would if the mod where downloadabble and you paid with a creditcard (maybe thats wishfull thinking...), I'm not so keen about the idea of a shipment abroad, then I have to wait longer for the excellent mod!

[The Avon Lady]

First of all, you better check whether you're legally allowed to sell modifications to a commercial game without the owner's approval.

Next, I would much rather pay less for a downloadable copy, which I would receive much faster, too.

Finally, with all the great mods already available for free, I just cannot picture how this is going to be that much better to justify paying for it.

[vois2]

I think a charge of one ($1) U.S. Dollar is appropriate through a Paypal transaction, for either access to a downloaded version or the CD. (Obviously for the CD, a nominal shipping charge of $2 or so, in addition.) This would establish your good will among a group which (mostly) vehemently defends the rights of an open, friendly and free mod community. It's been noted many times among these forum pages that folks here are all too willing to share and help others. A nominal charge of $1 would (I feel) seem reasonable to compensate you for hundreds of hours of your time doing your *hobby*. I don't think many would blink at it.

Paypal is now fully integrated with the UK banking community, by the way. Getting a copyright or other intellectual protection on your material is easy and would further support your position, but the key would be the nominal $1 charge. If your work is good enough (and your release details *detailed* enough) I would think thousands would send $1 your way. I would also communicate that 5% or so of funds would be passed along to this forum to help Neal, since almost 100% of your customers would learn about the product here.

I have a 5.0 Mbps cable connection, so I would appreciate access to a downloadable version.

I'd ONLY consider to buy a payware SH3 mod IF it would be available as a instant download.

BUT I agree with all said by Avonlady.


Ah, another thing: Please do NOT include mods obtained through my site if you should decide to sell a CD. Thanks!

No PayPal in the Czech Republic:-)

Ooops. Paypal has finally arrived in the Czech republic:-)

Yeah, provided your mode will not create any legal and ethical issues I will gladly pay 5 dollars for download version. Of course it will depend on what your mod will have to offer.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Depends... but basically sending you &( bucks to se'nd me a CD with that stuff in it is okay to me

but the laws... beurk

[KiloAlpha4]

for one avon lady has no clue because no one has done a full graphics sound etc mod upgrade of sh3 yet only bits here and there or some good additions to the game like sh3 commander.

And $1 dollar is cheaper than the cost of buying the cd unless you get the cheapest brand. Not to mention your time burning it and doing the installer from hell setup. I wouldn't waste my time for a buck.

Besides that any and all original textures have nothing to do with ubi's ownership of the game for the simple fact that their mine. They may own the game but not my textures lol..

My textures are better than UBI's released ones. Compare mine to ubi's released work

This isn't a seawolves $29.99 pirate cd of other peoples work, this is hundreds of hours of my work.

vois2 show me international shipping for $2 with a 60 dollar insurance. Cheapest insured international shipping is 15.

hmm instant download & credit card is doable. This of course will increase the price because I'd have to pay a company to take care of the card transactions so they would be secure.

Getting a copyright or other intellectual protection on your material is easy

it's as easy as the date stamping on my computer and mailing myself the finished product first by registerred mail unopened. The legallity of copyright ownership holds up in any court.

Ah, another thing: Please do NOT include mods obtained through my site if you should decide to sell a CD. Thanks!

That was a thought as a addition for peeps who may want other peoples mods included on the cd or in a all in one installer with their mods as options. All mods on your site can be obtained elsewhere. This is up to the individual owners of the mods because they are not mine. I have no idea why you stated that it makes no sense logically.

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha4

for one avon lady has no clue because no one has done a full graphics sound etc mod upgrade yet only bits here and there or some good additions to the game.

And $1 dollar is cheaper than the cost of buying the cd unless you get the cheapest brand. Not to mention your time burning it and doing the installer from hell setup. I wouldn't waste my time for a buck.

Besides that any and all original textures have nothing to do with ubi's ownership of the game for the simple fact that their mine. They may own the game but not my textures lol..

My textures are better than UBI's released ones. Compare mine to ubi's released work

This isn't a seawolves $29.99 pirate cd of other peoples work, this is hundreds of hours of my work.

Yup. Dozends of other modders (mod mothers?) are putting in thousands of manhours into their work without ever thinking about to release their work for money. I've worked also hundreds of hours on my site, Neal and his moderators may have worked ten thousands hours...

Besides any free-/payware debate, I prefer the research/realism stuff Beery, the 'Ops Mod' team and others are doing much more than any gfx enhancements. IMHO SH3 is good enough in the 'eye candy' department, the realism in the 'simulation' aspects needs tweaking, though (and is constantly tweaked).

But, don't get me wrong, I respect every one who does good mod work. and is it no question that I prefer freeware over payware.

[KiloAlpha4]

Your not the only one I've had 5 sites myself in the past.

IMHO SH3 is good enough in the 'eye candy' department

Your joking right ? I have a pic of the original bf109 in my sh3 overhaul section look at that one again for a example.

and is it no question that I prefer freeware over payware.

Show me one person who doesn't lol.

[glenno]

Yeh gimme money THAT'S WHAT I WANT
A little money THAT'S WHAT I WANT
That's what I want THAT'S WHAT I WANT
So gimme money THAT'S WHAT I WANT
That's what I want, ye-ye-yeh,
That's what I want.

Originally Posted by KiloAlpha4

Your not the only one I've had 5 sites myself in the past.

Your joking right ?

Not at all. I don't doubt that you've done huge gfx enhancements, but as I said, the things done so far are good enough for me...I'm modest and patient...

But it's just my 2c - I'd pay much more than I've paid for SH3 IF the realism would be enhanced.

[KiloAlpha4]

I'd pay much more than I've paid for SH3 IF the realism would be enhanced.

No you wouldn't it's easy to say. The realism actually isn't bad but it does need the tweaking. I haven't really seen any major realism improvements myself . Flying torpedoes do make me laugh though.

Yeh gimme money THAT'S WHAT I WANT
A little money THAT'S WHAT I WANT
That's what I want THAT'S WHAT I WANT
So gimme money THAT'S WHAT I WANT
That's what I want, ye-ye-yeh,
That's what I want.

Tools are everywhere I suppose you got a pirated copy of sh3 ? $5 bucks just covers the costs read up. I'm not making any money.