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The Old Man
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if anything... for people who want to use custom dials that are oriented differently, i'll have the program look for a specific config file that tells it the orientation of each dial. |
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If contact with six torpedoes means I have learned how to figure out the wheel, then I must have learned something. Third attempt - I forgot to submerge. Target started shooting at me, changed course and ran away. Fourth attempt - I knew target's course, so I set up for a Cromwell attack and set the dials on the wheel and solved the solution. I fired four 46 kt. and two 45 kt. torpedoes at 3,600 yds. All were right on the MONEY.
![]() ![]() I am sold. I will use it in lieu of Easy AoB until I have it down cold. A nice piece of work, although mastering the wheel for some of us can be a challenge. Thanks for working this through with Hitman, me and the rest of the Captains. This should be stickied and made a part of Neal's post re important mods that is in his sticky in the Mods forum. ![]() |
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It is obvious that, as you say, it's all a matter of perspective, and that the dials can be brought to work also with the current layout. The only thing I wanted to point out is that they work the opposite to the real ones I know, and hence they are less intuitive for me. Plus I believe the US and german Navy must have had some reason to put them like they did. ![]() Never mind, it's not a big deal ![]() EDIT: I checked again the example of arwtork and the bearinsg dial is indeed inverted. The reason is it was a quick job intended to showcase skins, and I used the same template for all dials.
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The Old Man
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i recorded a new tutorial showing a complete attack from first sighting to to target destruction. shows how to use the wheel to position yourself, and how to use the speed solver etc.
The attack was done purely visually. ie. no map plotting or ranging were done. might be a day or so before its on youtube. i need to do some things to it first. |
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The Old Man
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my personal method is to use the AoB wheel to position myself, and then switch to the position keeper when im close range and in a good position for the actual firing.. because it allows me to keep turning/manuevering and i can target more than one ship pretty easily. but to each their own. |
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Ocean Warrior
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I lined up for a shot at an angle. The target changed course and moved inside the tracking course, closer to Own Ship, but on a roughly parallel course to the tracking course. So I had adequate distance to fire torpedoes, I put Own Ship in reverse. I assume Own Ship not change course when in reverse. I missed the shots. Was Own Ship off course as a result of moving in reverse or as a resiult of moving away from the original course line?
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Ocean Warrior
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closing on target
When you hit the + key to turn your Own Ship perpendicular to the target's course, does the perpendicular angle change if you continue ahead at the same bearing? Assume you are perpendicular to the target's course after hitting the + key. If you stay on the same heading and travel 750 yds. do you need to input a new solution? Or hit the + button and reset the perpendicular angle.
Also, when the target crosses the wire, it sometimes crosses it at a different angle than the firing angle. Eg. the target's bow crosses at 351 degrees (the radarman announces 351 degrees) but the solution says 353 degrees. When do I fire? I have got the technique down, but I am still missing shots be a few yards aft or stern. I am finding it not as reliable as the Easy AoB mod, but I may be screwing up. |
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In your post #63 range doesn't figure into the solution at all so moving backwards, forward or not at all should not affect your shot. Just shoot when the target crosses your shooting bearing (lead angle).
If your moving and hit the +/= key and the scope is anywere but 0° your boat will turn. As long as your on the original "own ship" course line, range is no factor if more than 500 yd and less than the range of the torpedo. If you missed your boat may have been turning????? If the target is off it's course line a little but parallel you should still hit, because range is not a factor. The sound man's call of bearing is to MOT not the bow so it will be off and at close range could be 2 or 3°, also there is a lag time for the call to be made, this makes sound only shots more difficult. If the solution says 353° than that is where you point the scope and shoot at the part of the target you want to hit. If you are missing it could well be that the target has seen the wakes and changed speed. With this or any shooting solution conditions play a big part, Clear sky and calm seas and even range effect every shot and must be taken into account. Don't be too concerned about the angle you approach the target course line, it can be any angle you want 90, 75, or less(Cromwell is 45°). I use an angle of 60 to 70°. 90° gives you a little bit bigger target to shoot at nothing more. Once I have a target course line, I pick a point on that line and use the nav. map way point plotting tool to set my approach angle. Put a way point right on the target course line and that is where you torpedos will impact the target, your boat can be anywere on that line within range of the torpedo. If I'm not sure about the exact angle I measure it with the protractor tool and adjust the way point till I get the desired AoB, that's AoB of the torpedo at impact. Once you have stabilized on that heading or course line you than can hit the +/= key to get your heading number (point the scope to 0° first) to enter into the solution tool. That is more accurate than trying to read it off the compass. One good thing about using a way point is even if you are moving you will stay on the same course unless YOU change it. This tool is nothing more than a simple and more accurate way to set up a vector analysis attack. No drawing of triangles etc. It is very good for shooting at two targets using high and low speed torpedos. IGD Try this: (best done under low visibility conditions or short range) 1) find a target and get it's speed and course line. 2) Put a way point on the target course line as I described above at a 65° AoB. And get within any range you wish to shoot at. 3) The target speed will equal your lead angle (shooting bearing.) if you are shooting Mk.14 on high speed. Ex: a 9k speed will = 9° lead angle for Mk.14 on high speed. 4) while you are waiting for the target set up your torpedos to high speed, contact and 10 or so feet deep. Open the doors. and be sure the PK is set to 0 speed, 0 AoB and 0 bearing. a zero gyro angle shot. Do not turn the PK on. 5) Point the scope to 9° if the target is approaching from your right 351° if from the left. 6) Do nothing else!!!!! Except save the game. 7) Shoot as the fat parts cross the wire. IF the target stays on the same course and speed you will hit it. If the target changes speed or turns you may miss, this is true of any type firing solution. Load up the save input the target course heading (measure with the compase rose) Input your course heading using the +/= key. Input the target and torpedo speed . 9K and 46K The solutiton will be almost exactly 9° or 351° If it's more than a half a degree off you did something wrong. Target speed is the most critical data point, if the target course line or your approach angle is a little off you will still hit. Target speed must be very close. That's one problem with the tool it only uses whole knots. Many ships in TMO travle at less than whole knots and at very long range it will make a differance. Kind of a long winded answer, sorry if I got carried away. ![]() Magic
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The Old Man
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1.3 is pretty much finished.
Has the new "Live" 3D Periscope View feature i talked about + improved dial responsiveness. I think you'll really enjoy these features. Just need to create an installer for it, and i'll upload it. ETA... soon. |
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