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silent hunters popularity is in that its a game AND a simulator so to change silent hinter into a pure fps game would be a mistake IMO but if your intention is to say yes, screw the sim side of the game and make sh5 a real fps then what you propose is a good idea.

[Sledgehammer427]

well, my proposal was to add a more dynamic approach to how our kaleun would impact the world around him. in no way do I intend to make an FPS out of the game, but make it so that we can all balance what we would like to see in our captain and see how well it plays out

[Arclight]

Well, people don't "level up" IRL. How far you can see depends on atmospheric conditions and the binoculars you're using, not how much time you spend looking out over the sea.

Imho it's annoying to point the DG at a target, but see the shell flying the wrong way because you're skill is too low. Or hearing a ship on the hydrophones but not being able to report it because your skill doesn't allow you to pick up targets at that distance.

Imho leave the skill-points/leveling for the NPCs to reflect their gain in experience, and just let the players skills reflect the kaleuns capabilities.

Originally Posted by Arclight

How far you can see depends on atmospheric conditions and the binoculars you're using, not how much time you spend looking out over the sea.

well i agree with your point but that example is wrong, i know for a fact that things like deck watch or spotting things with your eyes in general is a skill that is learned over time and some people miss things that are right in front of them if there eyes havent been trained to spot things in a sea full of movement and change.

[Hitman]

I'd like to add that the german submarine force had (at least before the war and in the first years) a very strong selection and training program, and wannabe U-Boat commanders had to pass specific tests of physical and menthal abilities to allow them to get through. The nature of those tests tended to create a more or less similar profile of abilities in the selected candidates (F.e. menthal calculations, 3D awareness, ability to estimate distances and speed of movement of objects by naked eye or through a lense, etc.)

It's like fighter pilots nowadays, you can find very different characters among them when fighting/flying, but when it comes to physical/menthal skills they are incredibly close together -which is no wonder, seeing they passed the same hard tests-

P.S. Most probably, almost none of us would have passed such tests in real life (I at least sure wouldn't), so we have to live with the fact that we play a role for which we probably are not adecuate. But such is gaming

[Sledgehammer427]

that's the point I was trying to get at kinda,

if you set too many skill points else where, it would make it so that you haven't spent the time learning how to spot things like WEBSTER said.

as you go up on deck and spot out enemy ships your skill will continue to improve in that area.

EDIT: @ Hitman, I see your point. but I still have a sneaky feeling I could figure out a way to work that in

[Arclight]

If being able to spot a ship on the horizon is dependant on experience, wouldn't it make more sense to have that in the game like IRL, instead of statt based stuff?

I just don't want to be in a situation where I managed to spot something at great distance but not being to report it due to game-mechanics. Or not have seen anything at all but have it auto-reported because my statts say I've spotted it.

Both situations break immersion. You're reminded of playing a game, because your actual skill is limited to or superseded by a number in a .cfg file.

Originally Posted by Arclight

If being able to spot a ship on the horizon is dependant on experience, wouldn't it make more sense to have that in the game like IRL, instead of statt based stuff?

I just don't want to be in a situation where I managed to spot something at great distance but not being to report it due to game-mechanics. Or not have seen anything at all but have it auto-reported because my statts say I've spotted it.

Both situations break immersion. You're reminded of playing a game, because your actual skill is limited to or superseded by a number in a .cfg file.

well you cant have it both ways, if you are going to take over a station then it goes by your skill and not the skill of the player you replace. as captain your skill cant be limited or you wouldnt be able to take over other stations since your not qualified to and if you are qualified to do them all then you dont need levels of skill for yourself.

you are replacing the crew member and not morphing into their body. when you leave their station they see with their skill level so if you see it and they cant, then thats just how it is just like real life. you cant make someone see it just because you can, they either can see it or they dont so i dont see the problem.