Random Pics from Washington March 09/12/09

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

Oh and while i'm at it. 70% of Americans still regard Iran as an enemy. Not bad for a "stupid incident that caused no permanent harm"...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ound_the_world

I'm impressed with Rasmussen's thorough poll-taking skills. It must have taken them a long time to interview all 305 million Americans living h- oh yeah that's right. They didn't...

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I'm impressed with Rasmussen's thorough poll-taking skills. It must have taken them a long time to interview all 305 million Americans living h- oh yeah that's right. They didn't...

Dude, you need to know when to quit. You have been presented nothing but facts, and you continue to do nothing but create your own myths and spin like a top. You've been caught spewing weak and false premises, and you can't escape any of it. You cannot seem to account for Iranian personal responsibility for their own failure in the ruination of Iran...instead it was the US and Soviets fault. You see a picture with a confederate flag on a car and think that means everybody there is a pro-slavery confederate racist. (lunacy) You apparently don't understand that black activists are at these rallies as well. And they're opposed to the same stuff as these "white racists" in the pictures. You see a poll overwhelmingly reflecting the feelings of my country regarding Iran, and apparently have no clue that most Americans understand the potential problems posed by Iran. You're in denial over fact checked sources where Democrats were sabotaging themselves in the hopes Republicans would take the blame. And much more to list.

Dude, you lost the game at least a page back or so.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Dude, you need to know when to quit. You have been presented nothing but facts, you continue to do nothing but create your own myths and spin like a top.

I have been presented with sourceless blog entries and sites which freely state that they're opinionated for one side or the other- no independent ones unfortunately that are not blogs and freely state that they do not take sides. The burden of proof rests with them to show that their assertions are correct; I'm simply pointing out that you are taking their word for granted without putting any further analytical thought to it.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You've been caught spewing weak and false premises, and you can't escape any of it.

And what are this "weak and false premises"?

Why try to escape? It is you who claims that these things exist, not I.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You cannot seem to account for Iranian personal responsibility for their own failure in the ruination of Iran...instead it was the US and Soviets fault.

Which couldn't be more wrong. I've already stated twice that the appointment of Islamic clergymen to positions of power did hindered progress for the nation as a whole, but I also pointed out that the US' efforts did little to help.

Soviets? I'm not placing any large quantity of blame upon the Soviets for what happened with Dr. Mossadegh, which was my primary focus. That was strictly the faults of the US and UK.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You see a picture with a confederate flag on a car and think that means everybody there is a pro-slavery confederate racist.

I do not think and them assume as you are stating, merely assert and consider the distinct possibility. There is a difference; I hoped you'd know it but it seems you don't. Either way, that would be stereotyping for the whole lot to say that "everybody there is a pro-slavery Confederate racist"- which is precisely why I never said it in the first place; you did.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

(lunacy)

Indeed.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You apparently don't understand that black activists are at these rallies as well.

Very few if you watch the videos. Either way race never was an issue I intentionally brought up, but that just goes for me.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

And they're opposed to the same stuff as these "white racists" in the pictures.

Hey- you said it; I didn't.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You see a poll overwhelmingly reflecting the feelings of my country regarding Iran, and apparently have no clue that most Americans understand the potential problems posed by Iran.

And you obviously don't understand that one poll does not represent the feelings of all 305 million citizens. Yes, you can never appease what everybody wants nor can you discover what everybody thinks and feels, but you're hardly going to find out from a poll conducted by a news network of any kind. Which is why I go by government surveys. They're on a much larger scale. Now if the people at Rasmussen cite their sources, I'd be more inclined to believe them. Otherwise, what they say is hardly of any value to me- or to anyone who believes in the burden of proof debate concept.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

You're in denial over fact checked sources where Democrats were sabotaging themselves in the hopes Republicans would take the blame.

FOX News brings on a man and a woman who claim that this one guy was holding up an "Obama=Hitler" sign at a health care rally and later turns out to be an advocate supporting Dingell, ergo a "plant" of the Democratic Party. They don't say who these people are coming up with this story, they don't provide any video footage or audio recordings to back this claim up, and the fact that its FOX alone does little to add to the credibility and reliability (in terms of accuracy) of the story. Just look at how they support people like O'Reilly and that morning group "FOX & Friends". That's the exact same reason I don't watch MSNBC. There's nothing to go on, lol. Just that guy's word. I'm not saying he's lying; I'm simply saying there's no reason to believe him as you and August are. Can't you figure that out for yourselves? The burden of proof concept is not at all complicated. But since you assert that these were "fact-checked sources", who were their sources and what's the backstory on the facts? I investigated and didn't find anything; no video footage, no audio recordings, no pictures, etc. So since you're the one vouching that they are indeed accurate, you find the proof that shows they are.

Again, I'm not saying that there is no proof and that the story isn't factual; just that they have shown an astonishing lack of proof and thus there is no reason anyone should assume they are being factual.

The same applies to Michelle Malkin's stories about the YouTube girl, Republican, and Worker's Union wife. She claims they're all working for the Democrats, but she doesn't provide any evidence to support her assertion- so there's no reason anyone should believe her. This isn't a matter of opinion, SD; it's a matter of logical principle. If a person makes a claim (or assertion, they refer to the same type of thing), it is up to them to present evidence directly related to that claim and topic of said claim to confirm it as fact. Dear god- didn't someone teach you this in gradeschool?

Now claims, evidence, and whatnot aside, Malkin's reputation certainly does make her reliability and credibility questionable. I mean, a journalist who says they're "fair and balanced" one minute and the next says that a person who likes Anderson Cooper is a "a slobbering Anderson Cooper fan" isn't exactly free of bias. You and I both can tell that that ; so does August (you're both smart enough people that you should be able to figure that out).

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

And much more to list.

Hey- I've got time. Continue listing.

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Dude, you lost the game at least a page back or so.

This is a debate, not a game. If you can't tell the difference, there's no reason for you even bothering with this. If you want to persist, that's fine with me. I really do find it amusing and fun. I love an easy debate just as much as the next man. Though I know that someone is going to come along to this post and say, "It's long, and the only reason why it is long is because you know you've been beaten and you're just not willing to admit it." But that will not assuage this discussion in the least, nor will it discredit anyone in it.