Global warming sparked by ancient farming methods

[danlisa]

I find that both sides of this argument demonstrate stupidity and the usual sensationalism when 'reporting' details of Global Warming.

It's like they think the Earth has ever been stable....

That's true, the earth has been through the warming and cooling cycle hundreds of times before and has always recovered.

Using the correct term, "Accelerated Global Warming", which has only been evident since the human race started mass events, be it the ancient farming methods you mention or the production of pollutants, I find the article to be correct in it's assumption that anything ejected into our atmosphere and in large enough quantities will accelerate global warming.

[ETR3(SS)]

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:

Ultimately you are correct

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:

Well actually these people weren't "cavemen" as the stereotype goes among the typical masses. They were nomads. Well- most of them were nomads. You had a few places here and there where they'd decided to settle down and build settlements, but most people at the time were nomadic in nature. Actually the people of 7,000 years ago were very sophisticated for their time. The first real civilizations had started to tale root, people had learned to domesticate animals for food and transport (stemming mainly from China after they rounded up hogs), and people had begun devoting more time to things like arts and crafts instead of survival- which had been their primary focus before lol.

As it stands SUBMAN, your title is quite misleading (no doubt intentionally). The article merely states that deforestation by early civilizations is partially responsible the CO2-O ratio's inbalance (because after the after the industrial era began and factories began emitting more and more pollutants into the atmosphere; less trees = more CO2 buildup). It's quite a simple concept really. I'm surprised nobody bothered to investigate it until now.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I'm surprised nobody bothered to investigate it until now.

Ideas about pre-historic carbon release and it's effect on climate are nothing new.

[Stealth Hunter]

The idea isn't; research into the idea is.

I have experienced the mildest summer since moving here in 1991. My air conditioning use is at 8x this summer. Long time residents remember when A/C wasn't even thought of in this part of the country. Climate change, created by man, only happens in the minds of the weak-minded.

Scientists looking for the next grant are suspect.

[Spike88]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Blame the cave men! They've doomed us all!:rotfl:

They have, if they hadn't discovered fire, we'd still be eating raw meat and living in caves.

[Stealth Hunter]

Though we certainly haven't changed as far as extinguishing resource supplies is concerned.

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Climate change, created by man, only happens in the minds of the weak-minded.

I suggest you pick up more information for future mental use on the matter, because we've known for a good 15 years that humans are having an impact on the temperatures of the planet. Not as badly as people like Al Gore claim, but we are still having a significant impact. I suggest you start with some papers and resources. I'll recommend you to the Woods Hole webpage simply because they're one of the best and most reputable scientific organizations you could ever hope to come into contact with.

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...arth/index.htm

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Though we certainly haven't changed as far as extinguishing resource supplies is concerned.

So where would you like to stop 'extinguishing resource supplies', when it affects your life? Is there a line you would like to draw? No, there never is, its always others who must sacrifice, which is why your argument falls flat on folks who think..

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

So where would you like to stop 'extinguishing resource supplies', when it affects your life?

It's not a matter of where I'd like to set the line. It's a matter of where we HAVE to set the line. The simple fact of the matter is that if you use up all the resources available to you, you're going to have a lot of trouble come up and slap you in the face. Social trouble, economic trouble, environmental trouble, you name it and it will be affected.

Easter Island is a perfect example of what happens when resources are completely used up. Everything collapses into chaos in the end.

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

Is there a line you would like to draw?

Of course, but where I would want to draw it would screw us all in the end.

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

No, there never is, its always others who must sacrifice,

I sacrifice plenty for the good of the environment. I drive a hybrid van, I don't overuse the AC (unless it gets above 100*), I use low-watt lightbulbs, and I recycle. There are a bunch of other things I do, but you get the picture.

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

which is why your argument falls flat on folks who think..

Clearly you're not one of those people.

If one is so commited to change the the world one has to do it on their own.show an example.......you don't want a change, or show an example, if it incorporates you.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Though we certainly haven't changed as far as extinguishing resource supplies is concerned.



I suggest you pick up more information for future mental use on the matter, because we've known for a good 15 years that humans are having an impact on the temperatures of the planet. Not as badly as people like Al Gore claim, but we are still having a significant impact. I suggest you start with some papers and resources. I'll recommend you to the Woods Hole webpage simply because they're one of the best and most reputable scientific organizations you could ever hope to come into contact with.

http://www.whrc.org/resources/online...arth/index.htm

I suggest you look outside your window and use some common sence.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

I suggest you look outside your window and use some common sense.

I am. Have been all evening just because of the clouds. Right now, it's dark, it's really hot, and I'm really tired. Anything else?

Lol @ "common sense" (fixed, BTW). This is not an issue of common sense; one man's common sense is another man's folly. All it is, is a matter of scientific fact. Temperatures have been rising all over the world for the past 40 years in correlation with CO2 and CFC emissions; any idiot who has used the internet can check out NASA's Goddard Institute sometime for the numbers... or even National Geographic for that matter.

Hell I just gave you a link to Woods Hole, one of the most distinguished scientific organizations in the world. Run through their numbers. A good portion of it pertains to ocean temperatures, but a good portion also deals with atmospheric temperatures.

You know what? I'll make it simple. There's a guy on YouTube- Potholer54-- who does these scientific and debunking vids for his subscribers. Cites all his sources so you can check them, gives feedback to commentators, you get the picture. I'll give you some links to some of the stuff he's worked on with the global warming issue. You don't have to read anything... except for a few graphs and charts and references that he puts in there. Otherwise, it's simple. And if you want to double check his facts, all you need to do is a Google search.

Here:



The rest are in the playlist box to the right.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I am. Have been all evening just because of the clouds. Right now, it's dark, it's really hot, and I'm really tired. Anything else?

Lol @ "common sense" (fixed, BTW). This is not an issue of common sense; one man's common sense is another man's folly. All it is, is a matter of scientific fact. Temperatures have been rising all over the world for the past 40 years in correlation with CO2 and CFC emissions; any idiot who has used the internet can check out NASA's Goddard Institute sometime for the numbers... or even National Geographic for that matter.

Hell I just gave you a link to Woods Hole, one of the most distinguished scientific organizations in the world. Run through their numbers. A good portion of it pertains to ocean temperatures, but a good portion also deals with atmospheric temperatures.

You know what? I'll make it simple. There's a guy on YouTube- Potholer54-- who does these scientific and debunking vids for his subscribers. Cites all his sources so you can check them, gives feedback to commentators, you get the picture. I'll give you some links to some of the stuff he's worked on with the global warming issue. You don't have to read anything... except for a few graphs and charts and references that he puts in there. Otherwise, it's simple. And if you want to double check his facts, all you need to do is a Google search.

Here:



The rest are in the playlist box to the right.

All very well and good....but what are you doing in personally to combat the global change evil?