Why are people so angry at the health care town halls?

[SUBMAN1]

I'd have to disagree with the above post. Everyone I talk to, including all the Canadians I deal with on a daily basis, do not want this health care as prescribed.

Goverment has proven time and time again - they are wasteful, and the one shoe fits all sizes approach never works. That is why we have choices and competition in this country. What they describe is not a choice and has no competition.

Canada's system is going bankrupt. Their own PM said it is a disaster. They will be going to a private system. We however can't see over the fence with the media constantly distracting you, and we are creating our own disaster.

Stupid people.

-S

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

immeasurably small sample of the citizens

We'll see how immeasurable and small that group of citizens is come next years Congressional elections...

Originally Posted by sharkbit

I'm immune-I wear my tinfoil hat when on the internetz or watching tv so the government can't read my thoughts or influence my thinking.

They want you to wear tinfoil since it amplifies their signals..

The only effective defense is a lead helmet.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by August

We'll see how immeasurable and small that group of citizens is come next years Congressional elections...

Yep. In know many demo's that won't be voting demo already. If they pass this, I predict a Repub landslide - easy.

-S

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rilder

They want you to wear tinfoil since it amplifies their signals..

The only effective defense is a lead helmet.

Doesn't work. Better store your head and brain separately.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Again, you're being selective (in fact, some of your examples I wouldn't even qualify as scandals - mistakes, perhaps, but not scandals).

But let's look at the Democrats, shall we: "Landslide Lyndon" courtesy of George Parr, Vietnam (if you consider Iraq to be a scandal, how about the death toll there? And, that conflict was perpetuated and most expanded upon by DEMOCRATS), Carter's out and out betrayal of the Iranian Shah, Clinton's lying under oath (I don't give a damn about what he lied about, just that he lied), ACORN, etc. I honestly could go on for hours.

Obviously we have extremely different standards.Are your examples nuisances? Absolutely. Did they do so much damage and crime to the nation like the real blockbusters I mentioned? No way to answer that with a Yes.

And the president's motives for going to war in Vietnam and Iraq do not compare in any way. Vietnam was a mess, but for very different reasons than the adventure the neocon mafia and their attached economic lobbies pushed your country into. And of the two, Vietnam just let you lose your face, but Iraq has far more threatening strategic longterm consequences, but this just btw.

[Aramike]

And what do you base this on?


Is it your position that if this immeasurably small sample of the citizens who are bitchin at town meetings had not bitched, that this bill would have gotten through all the committees and garnered agreement in both houses of congress by now?

I don't think that is a reasonable assumption.

Demonstrations at a small number of town halls is simply not going to have that much impact on the House or the Senate.

You're right - perhaps MORE would have been added to the bill.

You'll never see a bill get skimmed without some kind of outcry. Ever.

And no, it's not my position that without the town halls and protests the bill would have gotten through congress by now - congress is in recess. It *IS* my position that, without this outcry, when they reconvene this bill would have been quickly pushed to the floor and passed because that's what Obama has been trying to do all along.

[Aramike]

Obviously we have extremely different standards.Are your examples nuisances? Absolutely. Did they do so much damage and crime to the nation like the real blockbusters I mentioned? No way to answer that with a Yes.

Using your list of scandals, I don't see them as much worse than mine.

George Parr tampering with the election of a Senator, who would ultimately become the democrat president who escalates the Vietnam War is not a mere nuisance. Carter's complete mishandling of Iran wasn't a nuisance. ACORN is not a nuisance (to me anything supplanting the democratic system of elections amounts to treason).

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yep. In know many demo's that won't be voting demo already. If they pass this, I predict a Repub landslide - easy.

-S

Just like the McCain landslide you predicted?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Aramike

when they reconvene this bill would have been quickly pushed to the floor and passed because that's what Obama has been trying to do all along.

Fortunately, it is not up to the President but the individual houses of the congress.

The President ASKS congress, he does not tell congress. And that is a good thing.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Fortunately, it is not up to the President but the individual houses of the congress.

The President ASKS congress, he does not tell congress. And that is a good thing.

Umm, a heavily democratically controlled congress with listen to a democratic controlled White House, 99% of the time.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Just like the McCain landslide you predicted?

Please use your brain when replying to posts. You are displaying a complete lack there of.

-S

[Vacquero]

In the end what we in the US have is a Republican form of government. We're supposed to anyway. The People are in charge, not the President not Congress nor the SC. Therefore, if the People say "no", than "no" it should be. We have enough people pretending to know how our form of government works, that are in high positions within our government, to negate the need for people to bloviate on and on about the subject when they have not lived under the system.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Umm, a heavily democratically controlled congress with listen to a democratic controlled White House, 99% of the time.

That may have been true when we had a Republican President and a Republican congress, but it does not appear to be true with a Democratic President and a Democratic congress.

This current congress does not seem to be willing to rubberstamp the President's wishes like the last pair.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Platapus

That may have been true when we had a Republican President and a Republican congress, but it does not appear to be true with a Democratic President and a Democratic congress.

This current congress does not seem to be willing to rubberstamp the President's wishes like the last pair.

You're kidding, right? They passed a MASSIVE stimulus bill that the president asked for in hardly any time at all. And let's not get started on CARS. Sotomayor. This congress has been nothing more than an Obama rubberstamp, and have not put forth any significant resistance to anything the president has asked for.