It will be the end of the Democrats as a Party

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Skybird

For a change, see how the internal American civil war II about Obama's health care plans is perceived from some other civilised places in the West. To us, it looks like a dirty war both by regional politicians and republicans in general in order to damage the president - no matter the cost, and - pure hysteria. This German article describes the impression it leaves with us over here. It's a mud-throwing like I have not seen any since longer time.

Not since, say...the last President?

Honestly, how can the people who foamed at the mouth over every move Bush made not see the parallel?

[August]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Not since, say...the last President?

Honestly, how can the people who foamed at the mouth over every move Bush made not see the parallel?

Because they are hypocrites mostly imo.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by August

Because they are hypocrites mostly imo.

Oh, but that works nicely in both directions.
All those who couldn't hear the whining about Bush anymore are now the ones waging a crusade against Obama for each and every decision he makes.

[August]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Oh, but that works nicely in both directions.
All those who couldn't hear the whining about Bush anymore are now the ones waging a crusade against Obama for each and every decision he makes.

We have a saying in my country: "Payback is a b*tch". It's what worries me more than anything else because unless it is stopped it has the power tear the country apart.

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

Oh, but that works nicely in both directions.
All those who couldn't hear the whining about Bush anymore are now the ones waging a crusade against Obama for each and every decision he makes.

Well, I get the impression that those who are whining the most that Obama is put under pressure now are those who were chastising Bush for 8 years the loudest.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by heartc

Well, I get the impression that those who are whining the most that Obama is put under pressure now are those who were chastising Bush for 8 years the loudest.

That is why it goes in both directions.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by heartc

Well, I get the impression that those who are whining the most that Obama is put under pressure now are those who were chastising Bush for 8 years the loudest.

Agreed. It would be nice to have a debate about the issue without all the hyperbole, both the delusional noise we were bombarded with from the left about Bush = Hitler and now the screeching from the right that Obama = Marx.

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Agreed. It would be nice to have a debate about the issue without all the hyperbole, both the delusional noise we were bombarded with from the left about Bush = Hitler and now the screeching from the right that Obama = Marx.

I doubt that will ever happen, what with the fact that the vast majority of people have decided that it's better to simply be told what to think rather than thinking for themselves.

I suppose some people view it as much easier to pick their leaders abdicate all thinking to said leaders.

[Respenus]

@heartc

In Slovenia, the Social Democrat government (Bolshevik traitors run by greed and capital) changed the drug system to something similar in Germany. If you don't buy generic drugs, you need to pay a little extra. People have already started protesting, as people react differently to other compounds in a drug, creating more problems then solving them.

The system in Slovenia is different. You have universal health care, a contribution taken from your pay check, which can and in certain extends will pay your entire bills and for a ridiculously small additional amount paid to a private insurance firm, you get everything paid. So for around 10 additional Euros, you can get anything.

Yet how do you or anyone explain how someone like my father, pay for his heart medications, which cost around 500 euros every 3 months, medications which keep him alive. And not only that, how would he pay for life important surgery, which has saved and prolonged his life for several times now? I know from personal experience what universal healthcare coupled with a cheap private insurance can do. It saves lives. Are there lines in our hospitals? Sure. Yet considering our GDP per capita, Slovenia is doing quite well in the HDI (#26) and Life expectancy, so I'm not trading our system, where it is the person who is important, for a system where status is imporant.