HR 3200 - the Health Care Bill...

[Platapus]

Wow, 1,000 pages. Will take some time to get through this.

Thanks for posting this

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Wow, 1,000 pages. Will take some time to get through this.

Thanks for posting this

Not what congress seems to think.

they want to rush this through.

[GoldenRivet]

Wake up folks.

Medicaid is broke.

Medicare is broke.

Social Security is broke.

congress honestly expects us to believe that this nonsense will work?

I'm astonished.

I am in a state of complete and total astonishment and shock - that anyone out there thinks this is even remotely a good idea

I guess there is one thing which no medical plan in the history of the universe will ever be able to cure... and thing is... stupidity

[Platapus]

Goldenrivet,

It is clear from the multiple posts that you don't agree with this bill.

What do you propose instead?

Let's hear YOUR plan.

[CaptainHaplo]

Platapus - you didn't ask for mine - but I have one if your interested - and it won't take 1000 pages to put into place either....

Also - one question that I will through out there for anyone. According to the bill - its purpose is:

"To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes."

I wonder what the devil else is hidden in this 1000+ pages! I already see amendments to the income tax law.... anyone want to wager what thats about????

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Goldenrivet,

It is clear from the multiple posts that you don't agree with this bill.

What do you propose instead?

Let's hear YOUR plan.

major modifications to the current system we already have.

cut out the middle man.

let doctors get back to the basics of providing care... not running business. My health care options are between me - my doctor and my family.

Since uncle sam is not a blood relative he can stay the hell out of my business

I obviously cant sit down here and turn out a 5,000 page plan for you in the next few posts platapus.

but i do tell you this right now:

BOTH sides of the aisle have to sit down together and say "this is what we want" - "this is what we dont want" - "this is what we need" - "this is what we cant do without" - "this is what we agree on or disagree on".

and they need to spend the next 3 years thinking about it... discussing it... holding public forums of debate etc.

If BO was HALF the leader he claims to be he would come out and address the nation publicly the following statement:

"My fellow Americans, one of my chief goals in running for president was to provide sweeping health care reform to improve the most perfect of imperfect systems in the world. While it is clear that you cannot make everyone happy on this issue... i feel like myself and congress can do better than this... we must do better than this... we owe it to you the American People. it is my promise to you that any bill which comes across my desk which was not agreed upon, and was not bipartisan in it's nature... any health care reform bill which reaches me that was not voted for by the majority of both parties and does not appear to have overwhelming public support - will - be - vetoed - period."

thats my plan

at least until one can be formulated, studied, improved a hundred times over, shared with the public etc.

i see no reason to rush this thing through in 2 weeks time.

[GoldenRivet]

in addendum to my post above.

look.

think back to before all of this medicare and medicaid business.

think back to the times before doctoring became a business... it was a profession yes... and you had to make money at it for it to make sense yes... but it was not a business per say.

Doctors made house calls existed.

regular family physicians were common place... a family saw one doctor all the time, he knew them all by name, he would visit when called upon or be available in the office to them... sometimes in the middle of the night if need be.

in my life - the only doctor i ever saw regularly and routinely who knew me by name was my pediatric doctor when i was barely old enough to speak.

once i grew out of the routine booster shots and vaccinations etc - i cant recall the name of a single doctor i have ever been to in my life except for the doctor who performs my routine aviation physicals every year.

we need to figure out a way to standardize health insurance plans - so that while some plans are slightly better than other plans... they really are not all that different.

we need to figure out a way to mix today's high tech health care with the personal care of yesteryear and we need to do that in such a way so as to keep the federal government from determining what is best for you or your loved one.

[SteamWake]

Again I remind you while this is good discussion do not take your eyes of the other hand.

Cap and trade is another issue of frightfull impact. It will come to a vote very soon.