Haqqani versus Amalek

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

So what you are saying is the other media present in Germany is weak and they don't express your opinion in any case so they are not worth the trouble. OK I understand.

Ah, we enter the stage when you are so depsrate that you need to turn words in my mouth.

Are you sure you are in the position to judge the quality of various German newspapers - when you asked about other german newspapers representing Germans' opinion (or did not mean: your opinion?) and by that indicated that you do not know the German newspaper market?

I scan the national papers on the web almost every day, and also have read the print versions in the past, so I have some substantial impression about what to expect from whom. when I say the journalistic quality and the qulaity of writing and presentaiton vary, then maybe that is a poltical issue for you - not for me. I have linked essays not representing my personal opinions as well in the past years.

And can we now have your insightful criticism of Follath's original article, please? We are still waiting for you to become specific. So far you only tried to distract people from the fact that you just waved it off for being published in "a lefty place", but not saying what information or arguments you have to object the author's descriptions. I really would be interested to learn more if Follath's descriptions are wrong, but if your only argument against the essay is that it was published by the wrong magazine - then you have no valid argument at all and I can leave this little party immediately, since neither now nor in the future I would get a drink.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Ah, we enter the stage when you are so depsrate that you need to turn words in my mouth.

Are you sure you are in the position to judge the quality of various German newspapers - when you asked about other german newspapers representing Germans' opinion (or did not mean: your opinion?) and by that indicated that you do not know the German newspaper market?

I scan the national papers on the web almost every day, and also have read the print versions in the past, so I have some substantial impression about what to expect from whom. when I say the journalistic quality and the qulaity of writing and presentaiton vary, then maybe that is a poltical issue for you - not for me. I have linked essays not representing my personal opinions as well in the past years.

And can we now have your insightful criticism of Follath's original article, please? We are still waiting for you to become specific. So far you only tried to distract people from the fact that you just waved it off for being published in "a lefty place", but not saying what information or arguments you have to object the author's descriptions. I really would be interested to learn more if Follath's descriptions are wrong, but if your only argument against the essay is that it was published by the wrong magazine - then you have no valid argument at all and I can leave this little party immediately, since neither now nor in the future I would get a drink.

Are you sure you are in a position to judge Americans by what you read in the German media? I would never judge either Germans, nor the German nation, based on what I see in the press. But I will judge it on what you post and say.

[Skybird]

I knew Americans in the past (Berlin), and know some today. I read American medias, too. And all that is not important.

You criticism of Mr. Follath's essay, please?

Originally Posted by Skybird

I knew Americans in the past (Berlin), and know some today. I read American medias, too. And all that is not important.

You criticism of Mr. Follath's essay, please?

How about Mr. Follath has an agenda. Since we were'nt at the interview and Spiegel is a far left leaning agenda that is enough to dismiss it out of hand. Sorry but life sux sometimes and Mr. Follath is probay as accurate as most reporters, not at all.

I guess you are not used to being challenged Mr. Skybird. That being the case is either one of two things. Either you speak for many or you report those who do speak against you. It is enlightening..

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CastleBravo

I guess you are not used to being challenged Mr. Skybird. That being the case is either one of two things. Either you speak for many or you report those who do speak against you. It is enlightening..

What challenge? You do not set up a challenge. You play tricks. 7 postings by you now - and not one argument by you specifying where and why Follath said something wrong.

i think you have wasted enough of my and our time.

Bye.

[Skybird]

How about Mr. Follath has an agenda.

Or how's about assuming the sky is green and the grass is blue.

Either you can counter Follath on what he says, or you can't. "If" and "eventually" and "we were not there" does not help you. You said they probably have it all wrong in that essay. Give your agument on the matter - where is it all wrong, why is it wrong, and what is the correct information there. You just try character assassination so far.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Or how's about assuming the sky is green and the grass is blue.

Either you can counter Follath on what he says, or you can't. "If" and "eventually" and "we were not there" does not help you. You said they probably have it all wrong in that essay. Give your agument on the matter - where is it all wrong, why is it wrong, and what is the correct information there. You just try character assassination so far.

It is hard to refute what is ultimately an opinion piece. It's Mr. Follath's opinion. If you agree with it that is your option, more power to you and us, in knowing your opinion.

[CaptainHaplo]

Me - a lefty. Now thats FUNNY!

I have been told that if politics were an airplane, I would have 2 right wings!

Now here is the rub CastleBravo. The article didn't give much opinion at all. It gave a fairly concise rendition of what is easily verifiable regarding both men, both in their public and more "private" lives. Having had the priviledge of meeting Benny, and then taking time to learn about the man (because he made that much of an impression on me that I felt I should know more about him - and that says something), I can attest to the FACTS presented about him. Now I can't say that I have done much checking on Achmawhackjob, but I suspect that the veracity of other facts in the article give me reason to think that were I to do so, the history and background of A would be proven to be factual as well.

With that being said, the CONCLUSIONS that the writer draws are reasonable and logical given the known psychological profiles of the men involved. In some cases, the conclusions also are supported by the history of actions by both men.

I didn't see anywhere in there where he said conflict was inevitable. In fact, he ASKED the question - is it? If anything - the only opinion the writer brings forth - is an invitation to form your own. Thats actually good writing.

If your opinion thus points in a direction you don't like, that doesn't make the writer slanted. Sometimes in the political world we must accept that things are not what we would like.

I recognize he postulates a POSSIBLE future scenario where a conflict could be created because of these two leaders. Yet for it to be "political opinion", there would have to be some level of lifting one side over the other. Having read it as objectively as possible (and for the record, I would vote for "Bibi" if I was an Israeli citizen.), I saw nothing in there that slammed either side while raising the other. It pointed out historical fact, asked a couple of questions, and then lets you consider the implications. How is that "left" or "right"?