Nazi symbols and "immersion": boundaries?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Without a title or rough guesstimate of date/contributors, would be like looking for a needle in a haystack

"Among personal property captured from U 570" were a number of parodies, skits and poems, all of an unrelievedly coarse and obscene nature, there being scarcely a single redeeming witty phrase in the whole. A strong undercurrent of unashamed blasphemy was apparent, and may well be a result of modern Hitler Youth training."

From this thread referencing this Interrogation report.

[Rockin Robbins]

Wooo Hooo! Thank you mookie. That was well worth dredging up. From the self-mocking tone of Churchill's "U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs," I don't think he bought into that claptrap.

But the tone of the interrogation report shows that someone in Britain was a bit delusional. Wonder if they read it after the war and were embarrassed?

[Armistead]

You think this is bad. I remember Sid Meyer's Gettysburg years ago and the many emblems squads used, but how can you take the confederate flag out of a Civil War game. To me it's the same, how can you take any true emblems of war out of a historically correct game.

I collect Civil War, am a Civil War re-enactor. I respect Southern history..as history. Simply, I have no problem with any emblem in itself. I have two original battleflags hanging in my basement along with all the stuff I collect and dig up. But you'll never see a confederate flag hanging in my front yard or a southern rights bumper sticker on my car. I accept we lost the war of Northern Aggresssion.

However, with marketing, placing games on shelves I guess you have to be correct, so we couldn't blame Ubi for that, but as long as people use emblems historically correct there should be no problems with modders adding them.

[Rockin Robbins]

Actually, the American Civil War is a very strange and interesting case. The North won the military struggle, and then sought to reincorporate the South.

Democrats from the South promptly took over the White House and resumed a very prominent place in the House and Senate. So they were able to keep laws relating to universal rights and promoting the security and civil rights of blacks from being enforced. In fact, as recounted in The Bloody Shirt: terror after Appomattox, by Stephen Budiansky, the "defeated" southerners waged a terror campaign worthy of the Taliban for the next 60 years, denying freed slaves any freedom at all and killing any who "stepped out of line."

Fortunately, a reinvasion by northerners seeking sunshine and lower costs of living decimated the south once again during the 1960's, 70's and 80's (which I am a part of), bringing the south securely into the national concept that all men are created equal.

But even today, everyone knows that the northern carpetbaggers goverening the south after the war were all cheating and killing thieves who needed to be put down by justified violence. Hogwash! They were enforcing the laws. While they were here we had black property owners, Senators, Representatives, Governors, local officials of all kinds doing good jobs. Once the terror campaigns held sway, all that was gone and slavery in all but name was reinstituted until the middle 1960's.

Read the book. What you know about the south is dead wrong, a false legend created by liars, killers and thieves who snatched victory from resounding military defeat in the American Civil War. What an amazing story! Read the book.

A good friend of mine is a Civil War reenactor. He was a southerner for a long time, but got tired of sitting around waiting to be asked to take part. He saw the light, bought Union regalia and now is in great demand for every event. He loves it! And he has a complete uniform and equipment for both sides. So you can see that there is no bad blood between the two sides within Civil War reenactors. They simply share a fascinating hobby that educates all of us.

[Kipparikalle]

Congraturations, you somehow managed to derail this thread so succesfully, that it has gone from discussing about swastikas to American Civil War.


70% - 79.2% of the world population is fine with the swastikas being used in games. Period

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Kipparikalle

Congraturations, you somehow managed to derail this thread so succesfully, that it has gone from discussing about swastikas to American Civil War.


70% - 79.2% of the world population is fine with the swastikas being used in games. Period

[Kipparikalle]

Prove me wrong

[Armistead]

I loved being a part of the movie Gettysburg and God's and Generals, although the Gettysburg experience was much better. Can't say I ever saw myself on film, but the experience outside of the movie was great.
I think Gettysburg was so much better because the actors loved history.

Your friend must have been in a poorly run group. I could go to an event almost every weekend. Almost every event that takes place requires both groups. I actually have my GGG pappy's sword. No blue uniform will grace this body.

I'm in a calvary unit. What was funny in Gettysburg during a practice charge where we clashed, I popped someone reasonable hard, but not unusual for what we do. Off SHE plops off her horse. When her hat came off only then did I realize she was a girl. I was so sorry, but we southerners keep our girls back at the fires cooking.

For me it's a weekend thing, but you would be surprised at how many it becomes a total lifestyle. The fun things are the big Balls..nothing beats southern women in those dresses.

As for politics....that debate could on forever and I tend to refrain..

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

From this thread referencing this Interrogation report.

Well done mookie...nice find

So it wasn't me

Sad to see the thread deteriorate like it did....was enjoying my dialogue with AVG.