To all the English chaps.

[Oberon]

I don't think we'll have Norsefire any time soon, the cultural memory of the Second World War and the Nazis is too strong here.
But I could probably see fascist ideals becoming more popular.

[Jimbuna]

Why can't the UK go down the same lines as Australia and only accept immigrants who have a needed skill and are self sufficient?....in other words "you are welcome as long as you are capable of putting into the pot and not just taking from it"

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Why can't the UK go down the same lines as Australia and only accept immigrants who have a needed skill and are self sufficient?....in other words "you are welcome as long as you are capable of putting into the pot and not just taking from it"

I was under the impression that, as a general rule, the immigrants here are putting in more than they are taking out. I thought they were good for the economy? In any case, I'm not sure it's relevant. I mean it seems to me (maybe I'm wrong) that the "appeal" of the BNP has little to do with economics.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I was under the impression that, as a general rule, the immigrants here are putting in more than they are taking out. I thought they were good for the economy? In any case, I'm not sure it's relevant. I mean it seems to me (maybe I'm wrong) that the "appeal" of the BNP has little to do with economics.

Of that you are correct....but think how much better it could be if the Australian rules were applied to all.

About 10 years back I seriously gave consideration to immigration whilst my kids were still young enough to adapt to the initial educational upheaval and was suprised to be informed that my skills/talents were a sought after commodity but if I'd left it 10 years later, despite my skills/talents still being of value, I would need to rely on my UK pension to live upon reaching retirement age (coupled with the fact I would have enough to purchase a property....but only through funding it with the proceeds of my UK residence).

[Letum]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Why can't the UK go down the same lines as Australia and only accept immigrants who have a needed skill and are self sufficient?....in other words "you are welcome as long as you are capable of putting into the pot and not just taking from it"

That sounds like a state sanctioned version of flashing a few fifties at the
border guard.

We have a responsibility not to send people back to a country if they
are likely to be badly treated or killed there without a just reason.
It is a bit rich not to allow EU members to settle here when more
Britons live abroad in Europe than Europeans live in Briton.

Besides, there are few convincing arguments that imigration does
more economic harm than good (or vice versa).

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Nazism is always a reaction to something as it was in the 1930's in Germany. It is not proactive but reactive to perceived loss of national identity. In Gemany it was the Bolsheviks, In England it is the Muslims.

Nincompoop!
You will find them in any country at any time. They only become popular in
reaction to something (like the German financial crisis of the 20s/30s.)
They are not popular in the UK.

There was no significant Jewish menace in Germany and there is no
significant Muslim menace in the UK.

There are certainly religious and political extremists of all varieties here and
some groups are more active than others, but none of them are reflections
of any larger ethnic or religious groups.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Letum

That sounds like a state sanctioned version of flashing a few fifties at the
border guard.

We have a responsibility not to send people back to a country if they
are likely to be badly treated or killed there without a just reason.
It is a bit rich not to allow EU members to settle here when more
Britons live abroad in Europe than Europeans live in Briton.

Besides, there are few convincing arguments that imigration does
more economic harm than good (or vice versa).

I'm unaware of the Australian Immigration Authority taking bribes.

I have never suggested returning anyone to wherever.

I'm confident you'll find that expatriates living abroad rarely qualify for welfare benfits from the country in which they reside.

The overlying principal I adhere to is a one of....'We have more than done as much as we can, if you want to come, fine, but you must have the means to support yourself'.

The alternative is that they will become the victims of widespread suspicion and ridicule....fueled by vermon such as the BNP and the resultant consequences could be potentially very serious for the population of this country in the decades to come.

Anyone currently residing in the UK must, as an absolutely bare minimum, be valued, respected and treated with dignity and also be encouraged to live a meaningful life and make as positive a contribution to society as a whole.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I'm unaware of the Australian Immigration Authority taking bribes.

I was suggesting that by having a minimum amount of cash to support your
self and pay tax before you come in to the country the state is accepting
your potential tax money as a bribe.

It's not a point I find entirely convincing tho.

I have never suggested returning anyone to wherever.

It's a bit of a dud policy if you don't return any one once they get here!
I'm all for returning plenty of people if it is safe to do so.

I'm confident you'll find that expatriates living abroad rarely qualify for welfare benfits from the country in which they reside.

That would surprise me more than a little.

Anyone currently residing in the UK must, as an absolutely bare minimum, be valued, respected and treated with dignity and also be encouraged to live a meaningful life and make as positive a contribution to society as a whole.

I disagree. There are plenty of very nasty people who no one should value.
And a few of them should be sent packing so long as it is safe to do so.

[Jimbuna]

Hehe...you sound like a former inspector of mine, if a call came in about ANYTHING that might have a racial theme or connection to it a few of us would purposely be slow to respond, the shift inspector would eventually call for precautionary backup and we'd have a right royal laugh watching him struggle to be equitable and keep a cool head.

Not that he was a racist mind you....he just appeared to be blinkered at times.

Seriously though, if anyone fails to conform or adhere to the law of the land then yes, away you should go to whence you came.

Too many bleeding hearts in society nowadays I fear and this will always be one of the hottest political potatoes to handle.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Seriously though, if anyone fails to conform or adhere to the law of the land then yes, away you should go to whence you came.

Hey, we dont want them here either!