Whats your take on this?

[CaptainHaplo]

Carbon - naturally occuring element
Silicon - naturally occuring element

etc etc.

Now I am not saying don't ask questions, but sometimes people look too deeply for the answer when its laying in front of them.

Ever hear of a shistovite (sp)? Its a grain shaped material that is shock heated quartz. Usually only found in nuke craters.

The point here is you had high temps, massive pressures, loads of a large variety of "ingredient" materials (concrete, steel, fiberglass,etc other metals and suchvarious ). Chemistry and physics often go hand in hand, so it is NOT suprising that under the circumstances there could be "trace" concoctions created. Diamonds are superheated and compressed coal - its not unreasonable to assume that the vast pressures and temps involved in building collapses such as this would cause all kinds of "unexplained" reactions. After all - when building are brought down normally - everyone expects that there could be "traces" of explosive elements found. But who is to say all the various things used to build buildings dont contribute to those elements?

I can personally think of a number of "potentially explosive" elements used in building. The key here is that they are elements of a potential explosive - not an explosive waiting to go off. In their molecular form, with the right combinations - BOOM. Our understand of the molecular processes that occur when something that size comes down is so incomplete its not even funny.

The website you pointed to has repeatedly claimed that the US Government was responsible for 9/11. Instead of looking into other possibilities, they find "elements" and traces of things that support their view (at first glance) and then run with it. Thats not science, thats a political agenda.

I am not knocking asking questions, but I have issues with those (not you OP) that pick and choose the facts they present to the public to create a sentiment for political purposes.

BTW - who had the "forethought" to take a SOIL sample 10 MINUTES after the North Tower went down? What human would say "Oh god - there musta been 2000 people in there - I better take a soil sample instead of going and trying to help out!"? That right there shows that they are NOT being entirely forthright.

[Torpex752]

Good points, cant argue.

There are certain events that do not lend themselves to the definitions, explanations provided to us/me.

For instance, specifically; Days and weeks after we heard of reports of 'fires continuing to burn in the rubble" Back when i heard that I was ok with it. Then add into the equation, a film clip of the excavator pulling up a clump of molten steel, the fire chief telling his crew not to hit it with water because it will flash/steam and the operator wont be able to see what he's doing. The crew was within 50 feet of the stuff, if there was a fire hot enough to melt steel in the rubble, they would not be able to be that close. Steel requires @2500degF to melt. I personally have used a torch to cut steel, it takes an enormous amount of fuel to do this. These were class 'A" buildings, the stuff in them does not combine to produce this type of fuel/fire. It does not, it never has in the numerous steel high rise structure fires before of after 9/11. That molten steel that was present in the basement of both towers and WTC 7 does not belong there based on my experience with steel for a number of years. The fire codes wont allow enough combustables, to melt steel.

So, lets go with the natural elements combining to form nano thermite, and somehow the stuff in the buildings combined into an element that could melt 5" thick steel (the thickness of the 47 steel colums in the base core of the towers), dont you think there would have been a nationwide revaluation/study to make sure that this stuff was not in every other high rise steel structure on the planet? I promise you I mean no malice in that statement, I am only going on the possibility you are right.
I was a facility manager for 5 years, and after 9/11 there were no changes at all to any of the national fire codes. So draw your own conclusions. As`I see it since every item is acceptable in an office high rise, its likelyhood of causing steel to melt is nil.

Now, the dust that was collected is suspect because it was collected within 10 min. I have to agree, seems odd. Maybe a better explanation is in order. Now, if we question that (logically) then should we not question the passport that survived the crash? it is equally odd dont you agree that a paper and plastic passport could survive the fireball/crash, but other things didnt. Not being argumentative, but I am willing to accept that piece of evidence on faith, then the dust deserves the same consideration, yes?

I certainly dont like the negative spin that the word conspiracy theory has. On one hand some of the groups immediately point the finger which leads us to look at them like nuts. However, if you dont like how they say it, then just look at what they are saying. The A/E group seems to be focusing on the premise that;
1-The towers were designed and built to withstand exactly what happened, yet the fell.
2-They are not saying who, just that whomever it was had to have access to the structural steel.

My feelings are that no theory of why/how those buildings fell should be chasticed. If someone came out and said the Titanic sank because the rivets were made of an inferior grade/mix of steel, people would listen, test, evaluate, and give an answer. They wouldnt call them names, conspiracy nuts, liars or anything else. Now if they came out and said that the rivets failed and we found out that White Star Lines bought them from a company in Germany, we might see things reacted to differently.

The debunking of the A/E I have seen is poorly done in my opinion and doesnt specifically adress the claims to a point in all cases.

Either way I can see facts that need better explanation. The truth lies somewhere in the middle as I see it now.

(I am a stickler for factual hard evidence) Taking the reports the news gave me vs what I have looked for myself with my own two eyes and seen, now makes me wonder.

Frank

So this dust , would that compound be like that you get from some printers which are in widespread use

[Torpex752]

Unfortunately no, its man made.

"Abstract We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic."

Frank

[SteamWake]

The word 'exotherm' rang a bell.

Exothermic welding is actually quite common in use of electrical construction, espically in lightning protection systems and grounding systems.

http://www.exothermicwelds.com/index...st&iCategory=3

Its presence in such a large structure does not supprise me one bit.

[Torpex752]

Because of the good electrical conductivity and high stability in the face of short-circuit pulses, exothermic welds are one of the options specified by §250.8 of the United States National Electrical Code for grounding conductors and bonding jumpers.[4] It is the preferred method of bonding, and indeed it is the only acceptable means of bonding copper to galvanized cable.[3]

Well, IMO, its possible, but not probable to find nano thermite material as a result of any exothermic welding. Not saying its inpossible, but the flux you are referring to would have to be cleaned up after the process was complete. The likelyhood of finding it nearly 30 years after the building was built is slim. Additionally, any bonding that required that level of connection would have been where the main power substation and transformers were, far below in the basement.

Frank

[SteamWake]

What level of concentration, or did I miss that?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Torpex752

Unfortunately no, its man made.

"Abstract We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in all the samples we have studied of the dust produced by the destruction of the World Trade Center. Examination of four of these samples, collected from separate sites, is reported in this paper. These red/gray chips show marked similarities in all four samples. One sample was collected by a Manhattan resident about ten minutes after the collapse of the second WTC Tower, two the next day, and a fourth about a week later. The properties of these chips were analyzed using optical microscopy, scanning electron microscopy (SEM), X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS), and differential scanning calorimetry (DSC). The red material contains grains approximately 100 nm across which are largely iron oxide, while aluminum is contained in tiny plate-like structures. Separation of components using methyl ethyl ketone demonstrated that elemental aluminum is present. The iron oxide and aluminum are intimately mixed in the red material. When ignited in a DSC device the chips exhibit large but narrow exotherms occurring at approximately 430 °C, far below the normal ignition temperature for conventional thermite. Numerous iron-rich spheres are clearly observed in the residue following the ignition of these peculiar red/gray chips. The red portion of these chips is found to be an unreacted thermitic material and highly energetic."

Frank

Hey, that's what I do at work!

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

shistovite (sp)?

I'm sure you mean Stishovite