Pentagon says Chinese vessels harassed U.S. ship

[JALU3]

Originally Posted by goldorak

It may displease america, but what are americans going to do ?

Probably the same thing, ships will bump, diplomatic protest and telegrams will be sent both ways, and it'll be business as usual.

[Hunter]

The only question here is why civil trawlers but not coast guard or naval patrol, if China wanted to prevent US vessel from continuing its surway in the area? Reminds me 1988 accident when US ships were ramed by Border guards from Soviet waters on Black sea, as well as old joke about Soviet agricultural tractors (Chineese trawlers) capable to wanish the Kingdom of Belgia with rare gunfire (as their numerous flags on masts look like old fashioned combat flags.

[Kaye T. Bai]

This whole thing reminds me of the 2008 incident between the U.S. Navy and the Iranian "maritime force."

Here is something somebody said on an Iranian "news" website. It is paraphrased, but the main message is still there.

"All armchair warriors think the U.S. Navy is the most powerful Navy. The truth is that China and Russia are unstoppable. Russia and China are easily capable of sinking all ships in the U.S. Navy, at a fraction of the cost. They are at least two generations ahead of the U.S. in missile technology and they intend to easily destroy the U.S. Navy. When the time comes, they will do it."

What do you guys think about the above statement? I personally think it's ridiculous and absurd.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Kaye T. Bai

"All armchair warriors think the U.S. Navy is the most powerful Navy. The truth is that China and Russia are unstoppable. Russia and China are easily capable of sinking all ships in the U.S. Navy, at a fraction of the cost. They are at least two generations ahead of the U.S. in missile technology and they intend to easily destroy the U.S. Navy. When the time comes, they will do it too, I believe."

What do you guys think about the above statement? I personally think it's ridiculous and absurd.

The Russians are so good at developing a fast torpedo ... they have already sunk a one billion dollar submarine ... their own.

[goldorak]

Missiles ahead 2 generations beyond what americans have I doubt it.
The question is whether the us navy has anti-missile capabilities against these threats. Can they intercept a mach 2+ sea skimming missile when its launched from very near.
Historically US navy vessels have been hit by missiles. Wasn't the Stark hit by 2 exocets ? And those missiles are no where near the performance of the new russian antiship missiles.

[Kaye T. Bai]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Wasn't the USS Stark hit by two Exocets?

Well, the USS Stark's Phalanx CIWS was not armed at the time.

If it were, it would've had a chance of shooting down the Exocet missiles.

[Hunter]

The WW3 tactics would show combined massive missile attacks of Soviet Surface vessels, Subamarines and Air forces against US CV groups like in this movie. Unfortunately, I don't know the title. Looks very natural but definately filmed not in Russia

[Kaye T. Bai]

Originally Posted by Hunter

The WWIII tactics would show combined massive missile attacks of Soviet surface vessels, submarines and air forces against U.S. carrier groups like in this movie. Unfortunately, I don't know the title.

That video is from "The Sum Of All Fears," which is a 2002 American movie. The scene in that movie was a great one.

It shows Russian bombers attacking the USS John C. Stennis with super-sonic anti-ship missiles. They fire enough missiles to overwhelm and bypass the ship's defenses.

In my opinion, it was fairly accurate.

[Skybird]

If a Russian or Chinese special sonar ship would start to track the area close to a major Us submarine base, the US Navy hardly would give it a warm welcome.

So if you behave like this in their playground, don't expect to be given special status.

I also want to remind everybody that a year ago, when the Iranian rubber boats provoked an american flotilla in the Strait of hormuz and reports were released that they radioed they would desztroy the american ships, later the Navy had to step back and take back these reports as well - things seem to have happend a bit different than how the Navy described them.

The time between wars - sees the war of propaganda.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Kaye T. Bai

That is from "The Sum Of All Fears," which is a 2002 American movie. The scene in that movie was a great one.

It shows Russian bombers attacking the USS John C. Stennis with super-sonic anti-ship missiles. They fire enough missiles to overwhelm and bypass the ship's defenses.

In my opinion, it was fairly accurate.

The only way to defeat the flooding of the battlespace with active weapons is to make the enemy running out of ammunition. as long as he has enough ammuntiion, flooding defeats every anti-missile defence system, no matter how expensive it has been. The two winners are the atacker, and the company selling the missile defence to the military. The defender not really wins anything - just some additional seconds.

These hightech things are nice against inferior opponents who by definition cannot stage large scale attacks. Against strong and determined opponents - their value still is unproven. What admiral knowing his business would attack the enemy with just let's say four missiles per ship? Admiral Gorshkow of the Red Banner fleet said the war at sea in WWIII would be very short and very bloody. Attacks at enemy fleets would almost always be staged with guaranteed overkill capacity (regarding weapon quantities).

[Hunter]

Although, the style the message is too pothetic its meaning isn't far from truth.
Here is a good reference on Russian/Soviet naval messiles. USN got used to relay on air power rather than cruise missiles and don't have anything like Sovet surface-to surface messiles engeneered for attacking CV groops from distances beyond their effective air defence range (for CV armed with F-18 it is eprox.300 km now). Harpoon and Tomahawk which can't reach supersonic speed, change direction and altitude while at range, as well as act automaticaly in groups are weaker.
http://www.dtig.org/docs/Russian-Sov...20Missiles.pdf