Government going after Private Pilots

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

No.

VFR aircraft in the united states are not required to submit flight plans or propose an estimated time of departure or arrival on domestic flights.

This is America - not Soviet Russia and i for one would prefer to keep it that way.

thousands of planes take off and land under VFR (visual flight rules) every day without bogging down the ATC system with needless requests and communications.

Yes... even King Airs and Lear Jets sometimes operate VFR

Hrm... with the operating altitudes of the King Air and Lears you would think it would be a requirement to at very least post a cruising altitude. They are at the very least required to set a transponder and get the occasional call "Traffic at xxx fl xxx report them in sight".

[GoldenRivet]

Nope... as long as you dont go above 18000 feet.

I lifted off in a King air once and flew about 250 miles at 12,000 feet - transponder set for VFR.

the only two people i spoke with was the fueler at the home airport that told me to "have a nice flight"... and the fueler at the destination that said "How much fuel will you need, and by the way your rental car is here and ready to go."

given it is not a typical situation - but it does happen - and it is perfectly legal

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Nope... as long as you dont go above 18000 feet.

I lifted off in a King air once and flew about 250 miles at 12,000 feet - transponder set for VFR.

the only two people i spoke with was the fueler at the home airport that told me to "have a nice flight"... and the fueler at the destination that said "How much fuel will you need, and by the way your rental car is here and ready to go."

given it is not a typical situation - but it does happen - and it is perfectly legal

Must be nice to fly in your state. It's difficult where I live to avoid Charlie or Bravo airspace. I have to fly inland, and there happens to be MTR low-level routes for Beale AFB aircraft in those areas. I don't wish to become a permanent fixture on the windshield of one of those black T-38's. So I fly South and request a transition through a Class C facility to get there.

Anyway, when flying VFR, I always make it a habit to file a flight plan and use flight following wherever I'm going. And neither is required. It's a safety thing.

[Enigma]

so you had no dealings with anyone concerning your departure , route or arrival ?

As covered above, no. I flew from one uncontrolled airport to another, and required no airspace transition in the process. In my part of the country, most of my flying is done that way. At most, I speak with a controller at my destination airport. But not nearly always....

[Platapus]

How about these guys?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/25/mul...ues/index.html

TSA: Mule skinners need background checks, too

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A federal anti-terror law that requires longshoremen, truckers and others to submit to criminal background checks has ensnared another class of transportation worker -- mule drivers.

Yes, so-called mule skinners -- in this case, seasonal workers who dress in colonial garb at a historical park in Easton, Pa. -- must apply for biometric Transportation Worker Identification Credentials (TWIC), according to the Transportation Security Administration, which says it is bound by federal law.

The requirement has officials of the Hugh Moore Historical Park perplexed.

"We have one boat. It's pulled by two mules. On a good day they might go 2 miles per hour," said Sarah B. Hays, the park's director of operations.

The park's two-mile canal does not pass any military bases, nuclear power plants or other sensitive facilities. And, park officials say, the mules could be considered weapons of mass destruction only if they were aimed at something resembling food.

In December, Hayes wrote to Rep. Charles Dent, R-Pennsylvania, about the requirement. Dent, in turn, wrote to the TSA requesting a waiver, noting the mode of transportation involved was "mule-drawn canal boats."

In January, the TSA responded, noting the Maritime Transportation Security Act of 2002 applies to all mariners holding U.S. Coast Guard-issued credentials.

"We encourage the crew members... who possess Coast Guard mariner credentials to obtain a TWIC at their earliest convenience to comply with these requirements and not risk suspension or revocation of their other credentials," the TSA wrote.

On Wednesday, the mule skinner debate reached Capitol Hill, when Dent asked new Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano about the necessity of conducting background checks on mule drivers. He displayed a photo of two mules, Hank and George, tugging a canal boat in the company of two park employee mule drivers in colonial working attire.

"Now Hank and George, while sometimes are ornery, they are not terrorists," Dent said. Napolitano said she would try to be flexible.

"Obviously this is a picture designed to say 'Hey, isn't it absurd that they be required to have TWIC cards.'" Napolitano said. "Um, let's work with you on this particular case, if we might."

Park officials say four or five park employees typically have Coast Guard credentials to operate the canal boat, and the extra expense of a TWIC card, which is at least an extra $100 on top of fees for Coast Guard credentials, is unwelcome.

"I think the rule was written and the policy was set up for all the big shipping, and they never even considered something outside the normal bounds," Hays said.

Dent said he will work on a "common sense" solution with Napolitano.

On the surface seems pretty funny but it is not aimed at the mule operators but holders of a specific class of Coast Guard certification.

[GoldenRivet]

personally i think the TSA neesds to stick to airlines, and freight carriers.

everybody else needs to be left alone

that or be dismantled altogether

[Etienne]

Originally Posted by Platapus

How about these guys?

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On the surface seems pretty funny but it is not aimed at the mule operators but holders of a specific class of Coast Guard certification.

The funnest part of the TWIC card thing is that unless terminals offer to escort crewmember to and from the gates, foreign seamen arriving in US ports will have to stay on board for the duration of their stays.

Say two days loading at an offshore buoy in Nigeria, three weeks accross the pond, two days unloading at a US port where you can't get off, three weeks accross the pond...

Rinse, lather repeat for an eight month contract. (And there are other places in the world where you aren't allowed to get off, it's not a US specific problem, althought it is rumored to be more common there)

And people wonder why there's a manpower shortage in the merchant marine.