A graphical representation of the deficit

[SteamWake]

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.

If this doesent make you worry about the way legislation is going right now nothing will.

[AVGWarhawk]

Why, no. He will tax the rich at 2% Still will not cover it Yeah, I'm a bit worried. China could call in the chips at any time.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Why, no. He will tax the rich at 2% Still will not cover it Yeah, I'm a bit worried. China could call in the chips at any time.

Funny you should mention that. Ive heard that the 'rich' could be taxed at 99.9% and still not cover it.

[Zachstar]

Only someone who is completely into class war thinks that is the case. While I favor higher taxes for the rich and extreme tax hikes on companies who even dare to THINK about outsourcing. I know the only way to pay the debt off is to gain the technologies that will enable the economy to boom high enough where tax money flows like a river.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Only someone who is completely into class war thinks that is the case. While I favor higher taxes for the rich and extreme tax hikes on companies who even dare to THINK about outsourcing.

Ahh the Irony.. You do realize that the upper 5% income earners pay nearly 90% of the taxes?

[Zachstar]

So?

You think with them paying so much in taxes they would be calling left and right for the gov to use that money to advance the technology that will make them richer. Instead all we ever hear from them is how high taxes are supposedly keeping them from expanding (Sorry is that extra bit of tax keeping you from hiring a few more paid slaves elseware in the world?)

Oh well they face the horrors of tax like many face the horrors of mortgage payments. Its not news.

Tell you what. Ill support lower taxes for the rich if and when full anti-outsourcing laws are signed in.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Wait a second, that line to the far right isn't the border of the graph!

"I only need to spend a lot just once before I balance the budget and save the world. I promise!"

And the thieves in Congress will probably pass it through so they can keep on pinning the President as the ultimate force in American politics while siphoning off whatever fat they can to their districts.

Foreign countries need to start giving us the finger when we want to make more ATM withdrawals. Because we obviously can't control ourselves.

PD

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Only someone who is completely into class war thinks that is the case. While I favor higher taxes for the rich and extreme tax hikes on companies who even dare to THINK about outsourcing. I know the only way to pay the debt off is to gain the technologies that will enable the economy to boom high enough where tax money flows like a river.

Outsourcing.... a Clinton era notion? Companies that will get higher taxes will take their plants somewhere else. Something McCain was attempting to explain. Technology will make a company profitable, the economy will boom high enough where tax money will flow? What model of business are you working with on this notion?

[Zachstar]

McCain lost.. Guess America did not agree.

And yes tech does make a company profitable. If for instance you had widespread fusion and did not have to pay as much for energy that increases profits.

Bigger biz = more tax income of course.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

So?

You think with them paying so much in taxes they would be calling left and right for the gov to use that money to advance the technology that will make them richer.

Well you might think that but in fact it is the goverment that ties their hands with enviromental constraints, and other legislation. Legislating them to near extinction. The automotive industry is a prime example.

Face it the "Big Company's" are looked upon with suspicion and mistrust. "Anyone who is rich doesent derserve to be or lied cheated and stole to get there"

Class envy indeed.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

McCain lost.. Guess America did not agree.

And yes tech does make a company profitable. If for instance you had widespread fusion and did not have to pay as much for energy that increases profits.

Bigger biz = more tax income of course.

America does not have to agree. It is the companies you want to tax that matter here. So, the McCain lost comment is moot. Point is, these companies will be setting up shop in other countries. What is the incentive to keep a company here and get taxed out the behind? None! Why do you think companies bring there plants to certain state and cities? It is called incentives. Tax breaks, land for the factory at a low price. Why do the states do this? It creates jobs. Companies are in business for themselves, not to be the nice guy and send over huge tax checks so the "tax money will flow like a river".

[Zachstar]

That argument is tried and failed now that we have seen where many of these companies loyalties lie.

What incentive to keep a company here? How about knowing that you are serving the country and being about advancement for the entire company instead of just the shareholders.

And companies pay hardly anything in taxes compared to what they could be paying. The list of tax breaks for the dumbest things is a mile long.

But they want both. They want the "Freedom" to use near slave labor conditions overseas and use that to lower the worth of the American worker AND they want the tax breaks...

Let me ask you this.. How did they show their gratitude for the bush tax cuts? Holding fast when times got tough to keep America working and strong? Nope the first excuse they got they started moving more jobs out.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Well you might think that but in fact it is the goverment that ties their hands with enviromental constraints, and other legislation. Legislating them to near extinction. The automotive industry is a prime example.

Face it the "Big Company's" are looked upon with suspicion and mistrust. "Anyone who is rich doesent derserve to be or lied cheated and stole to get there"

Class envy indeed.

You COMPLETELY lost me with that "Environmental Constraints" So would it enourage industry if we said "pollute all you want! Poison our grandchildren?

China is that way

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

That argument is tried and failed now that we have seen where many of these companies loyalties lie.

What incentive to keep a company here? How about knowing that you are serving the country and being about advancement for the entire company instead of just the shareholders.

And companies pay hardly anything in taxes compared to what they could be paying. The list of tax breaks for the dumbest things is a mile long.

But they want both. They want the "Freedom" to use near slave labor conditions overseas and use that to lower the worth of the American worker AND they want the tax breaks...

Let me ask you this.. How did they show their gratitude for the bush tax cuts? Holding fast when times got tough to keep America working and strong? Nope the first excuse they got they started moving more jobs out.

Argument is one thing...real world is another:


"Several other technology and pharmaceutical companies appear to be following the same playbook, according to studies by economist Martin A. Sullivan, a contributor to the journal Tax Notes. "It's remarkable how (often) there were losses in the U.S. while companies were profitable overseas," says Sullivan. "They want to get profits out of the U.S. if taxes are lower offshore, which they generally are."

As far as the "slave labor" and you side stepped this a few posts back...was it not the Clinton Era that started this outsourcing?

Not attempting to bust your chops but if cost to run a factory overseas is better, this is were the companies will go.

[August]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

You COMPLETELY lost me with that "Environmental Constraints" So would it enourage industry if we said "pollute all you want! Poison our grandchildren?

China is that way

I agree with you but the thing is that environmental laws are a big reason a lot of our jobs have moved overseas Zach.