British army will have pulled out of Iraq by June 2009

[clive bradbury]

I am a pretty easy-going bloke, generally, and it takes a lot to get me angry, but I am now. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just about sick of a certain section of shallow, ignorant Americans spouting off about situations they know absolutely nothing about. We have too many on this forum , to be sure, and I wish that the majority of balanced, thoughtful Americans would condemn them too.

What I love about this particular scenario is that the ignoramus in question states how important the internet is for revealing information, but then believes the first video he sees without looking more deeply into the actual event. In fact, on the same u-tube page is another clip which explains the real situation, and the fact that a year later that particular police station was demolished by the British Army becuse the police based there were torturing and terrorising residents (their own people) in the region - and it was to gather this information that the SAS men were there in first place.

[Frame57]

Yes! The british have contributed honorably in the Iraqi situation. they are honorable and to have this maggot post his garbage here is a disgrace...

[mr chris]

I got back from tour out there a month or so back. It is really good to see the Iraqis being able to keep the peace themselves at last.
Just hope all the US guys i met moving into the COB have a safe tour.
Im sure i will see a few of them in Afghan in a few years.

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by clive bradbury

I am a pretty easy-going bloke, generally, and it takes a lot to get me angry, but I am now. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm just about sick of a certain section of shallow, ignorant Americans spouting off about situations they know absolutely nothing about. We have too many on this forum , to be sure, and I wish that the majority of balanced, thoughtful Americans would condemn them too.

What I love about this particular scenario is that the ignoramus in question states how important the internet is for revealing information, but then believes the first video he sees without looking more deeply into the actual event. In fact, on the same u-tube page is another clip which explains the real situation, and the fact that a year later that particular police station was demolished by the British Army becuse the police based there were torturing and terrorising residents (their own people) in the region - and it was to gather this information that the SAS men were there in first place.

You sound like Napolean from George Orwell's book Animal Farm. No no children, those men were not killing innocent people, they were trying to kill the "bad guys", you don't want Mr Jones to come back do you?

You would make a good citizen in a George Orwell story. The internet is very important because for the first time in history the "official" government avalanche of lies is totally bypassed.

Get used to it for I am the peasant with a pitchfork of modern times. We are armed with information this time which is far more dangerous than pitchforks. Afterall this is the information age.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

You sound like Napolean from George Orwell's book Animal Farm. No no children, those men were not killing innocent people, they were trying to kill the "bad guys", you don't want Mr Jones to come back do you?

You would make a good citizen in a George Orwell story. The internet is very important because for the first time in history the "official" government avalanche of lies is totally bypassed.

Get used to it for I am the peasant with a pitchfork of modern times. We are armed with information this time which is far more dangerous than pitchforks. Afterall this is the information age.

im sorry, but you have to be stupid to belive that all the info on government conspiracies and coverups on the internet
then again you might be, i dont know

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by Morts

im sorry, but you have to be stupid to belive that all the info on government conspiracies and coverups on the internet
then again you might be, i dont know

I just got called stupid by a guy who doesn't seem to know how to capitalize or punctuate. I'll take your comment for what it is worth.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

I just got called stupid by a guy who doesn't seem to know how to capitalize or punctuate. I'll take your comment for what it is worth.

sure...change the subject and have a go at my english

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by Morts

sure...change the subject and have a go at my english

I'm sorry, I just saw your Denmark tag now. I appologize for mocking your English and won't do it again.

Let's get back on topic. Of course I don't believe every conspiracy theory, but let's face it, the government isn't exactly known for it truthfulness.

Need I remind you this entire war was based on lies? Forget about the WMD lies? Remember how Saddam was about to nuke us? Remember how Britian was told a nuclear missle could hit them in like an hour? Remember all those lies that were the foundation of this tragic war. Sorry if I don't believe the government anymore, they have lied too much and have zero credibility.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

I'm sorry, I just saw your Denmark tag now. I appologize for mocking your English and won't do it again.

Let's get back on topic. Of course I don't believe every conspiracy theory, but let's face it, the government isn't exactly known for it truthfulness.

Need I remind you this entire war was based on lies? Forget about the WMD lies? Remember how Saddam was about to nuke us? Remember how Britian was told a nuclear missle could hit them in like an hour? Remember all those lies that were the foundation of this tragic war. Sorry if I don't believe the government anymore, they have lied too much and have zero credibility.

np.
Ofcourse i know the government has lied about alot of things but you in the above posts made it seem like, to ME that you belived every single story out there on the internet about government lies

[Foxtrot]

so it seems that there were no baaadddd and eeeevvvviiiiillll Iraqi Weapons Of Mass Destruction

[heartc]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

Get used to it for I am the peasant with a pitchfork of modern times. We are armed with information this time which is far more dangerous than pitchforks. Afterall this is the information age.

You are armed with propaganda of the enemy, like many people in the West these days. And that is all. You are not smarter than the rest, nor are you impartial. If you were less caught up in the hatred of your own country, or indeed the whole Western hemisphere, you would realize how YOU have been had. Had there been more people like you in the US and allied countries back in the 1940s, the Germans would still be marching in Paris and the Nazis would still reign.

Hell, to be quite honest, my bet is you're just a commie. I'd be grateful if people would simply admit that, instead of pretending to be anything else, talking bull all damn day long and destroying the West.

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by heartc

You are armed with propaganda of the enemy, like many people in the West these days. And that is all. You are not smarter than the rest, nor are you impartial. If you were less caught up in the hatred of your own country, or indeed the whole Western hemisphere, you would realize how YOU have been had. Had there been more people like you in the US and allied countries back in the 1940s, the Germans would still be marching in Paris and the Nazis would still reign.

Hell, to be quite honest, my bet is you're just a commie. I'd be grateful if people would simply admit that, instead of pretending to be anything else, talking bull all damn day long and destroying the West.

Everything that isn't glowing patriotic gushing praise for the west is not enemy propaganda. That's an uneducated statement and one you stole from American propaganda. It is extremely cliche. How about the people sitting in jail over Abu Ghraib or the rape of that 14 year old girl and the murder of her family. All that must be "enemy propaganda" too.

The "terrorists" are scum too, that goes without saying; however I hold the western powers to a higher standard. The rag heads have an excuse to be slogging it out in the sand because they are still acting like it is 1250 but the west is supposed to be better than that. The west has the best and brightest people in the world yet they want to go to these places like Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan to slug it out in the mud like neanderthals (and lose too).

If the US didn't enter World War 2 the Russians would be marching around Paris right now. The US didn't jump in full tilt until it was clear Germany was going to lose. There is no way America would have entered World War 2 had Moscow fallen to the Germans. The US only entered World War 2 to keep Russia from owning all of Europe. Hitler didn't take the advice "never start a land war in Asia".

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by subchaser12

The "terrorists" are scum too, that goes without saying; however I hold the western powers to a higher standard. The rag heads have an excuse to be slogging it out in the sand because they are still acting like it is 1250 but the west is supposed to be better than that. The west has the best and brightest people in the world yet they want to go to these places like Iraq, Vietnam and Afghanistan to slug it out in the mud like neanderthals (and lose too).

I'm glad you ackonowledge the bolded bit.

But my question is what do you propose we do about it? Surely its not just a case of sitting back and letting them constantly strike at the west, because we're better than them so we shouldnt retaliate? Death by 1000 cuts right there.

What genuine and effective course of action would you suggest?

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

What genuine and effective course of action would you suggest?

Say goodbye to the petro dollar and just buy the middle easts oil like everyone else without trying to steal it. If you want to defend the border defend it. Plunk the army down on the Mexican border. The TSA is a joke, like a terrorist is really going to walk up to the ticket booth.

I really don't see how kicking up the Sunni and Shiite hornets nests in Iraq is making anyone safe. The whole world knows we invaded Iraq for two reasons. The petro dollar and Israel. Well the whole thing backfired thanks to American incompetence so now after America leaves the real terrorists will take Iraq over.

Sorry Israel, thanks for playing.

[subchaser12]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

I'm glad you ackonowledge the bolded bit.

I only have to acknowledge it because you are believing your own propaganda. I think the term for that is incestuous amplification. Sorry to let you down put people opposed to the war are not automatically sporting "honk if you love Al CIAduh" bumper stickers. Please, that's just propaganda from the pro war people.

That's the false choice aka "you are with us or againsts us." I'm with neither. There has not been a war about freedom since world war 2. It disgusts me when the government calls everyone they want to invade Hitler. Sorry, Saddam was no Hitler and no we would not have been nuked had King George Bush not invaded.