Firearm carry law is being updated for National Parks

[Morts]

I just cant see the point in having a firearm with you unless you're out hunting, at the range or its part of your job.
then again im used to rules concerning guns that are, compared to american laws, very strict and i like it that way

[August]

Originally Posted by Morts

I just cant see the point in having a firearm with you unless you're out hunting, at the range or its part of your job.
then again im used to rules concerning guns that are, compared to american laws, very strict and i like it that way

Perhaps it's because you don't understand the sheer size of our wilderness areas. I mean you can literally be weeks away from civilization. If anything happens you are basically on your own, no law at all out there. In that situation a firearm might be the difference between life or death.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by August

Perhaps it's because you don't understand the sheer size of our wilderness areas. I mean you can literally be weeks away from civilization. If anything happens you are basically on your own, no law at all out there. In that situation a firearm might be the difference between life or death.

aye, if i get lost in the woods here...civilization is only a few hours away
and i understand that a firearm might help you
im just not used to that kind around here, thats why i posted the above post

[Fincuan]

Think of it this way: You're going out on a hike several days from the nearest road or house. You're going on foot, which means weight is crucial and everything you take with you must be considered carefully since no one is going to carry them for you. In our example there are no great amounts animals in the area that should be considered dangerous to humans, although there might be an odd bear or a wolf hanging around. In your area they still behave their natural way and try to steer clear of humans the best they can(can't blame them there ).

Your average .45 M1911 weights around 1.5 kg fully loaded(just a common example, granted there are lighter pistols around). That's about the same as two days worth of food or a satellite phone with hell of a lot of batteries. A rifle would naturally be a lot heavier. Which one would you rather take with you? Would it be the pistol "just because I can", or something else?

[Lurchi]

Originally Posted by Fincuan

... there might be an odd bear or a wolf hanging around. In your area they still behave their natural way and try to steer clear of humans the best they can(can't blame them there ).

Weight is not a problem - the cute SUV has room for the whole household including TV, Computer, coffee machine and -of course- guns, all necessary for the complete natural experience. The biggest dangers are a flat tyre, an empty tank or (biggest catastrophe) failure of the GPS system.

Bears and wolves usually avoid humans, but some of them are criminals or -even worse- commie partisans so a gun is still very useful.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Lurchi

Weight is not a problem - the cute SUV has room for the whole household including TV, Computer, coffee machine and -of course- guns, all necessary for the complete natural experience. The biggest dangers are a flat tyre, an empty tank or (biggest catastrophe) failure of the GPS system.

Bears and wolves usually avoid humans, but some of them are criminals or -even worse- commie partisans so a gun is still very useful.

ROFLMAO!!! Thanks for the laugh, mate! :rotfl::rotfl:

As for having guns with you in the wilderness, well, I've come up with a bear 3 times in my life, they've never done anything as long as I havent act agressively. Met few deers too, same thing, dont act agressively, back down slowly and they dont give a damn about you. That's something, atleast, we Finns are teached from child, respect the nature and it respects you. Unloading a mag from a .45 Colt to a bear that prolly wouldnt've done anything to you isnt that. You only need a gun in wilderness if you're planning to behave like you need a gun to defend yourself. That's my take on it. Animals arent stupid.

[Captain Vlad]

Originally Posted by Dowly

As for having guns with you in the wilderness, well, I've come up with a bear 3 times in my life, they've never done anything as long as I havent act agressively. Met few deers too, same thing, dont act agressively, back down slowly and they dont give a damn about you.

All it takes to make that bear a lot less agreeable is for you to have, unintentionally, placed yourself between her and her cubs. I've been raised the same way you have; respect nature, but I still carrying a gun in the woods is a pretty good idea.

The bear, generally, will not do anything to me if I don't do anything to it. This works both ways, as I'm not going to shoot the bear unless it's acting in a hostile fashion. But if the bear decides, for whatever reason, that he isn't pleased with my continued existence, I would much prefer to have the means to defend myself.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by August

Perhaps it's because you don't understand the sheer size of our wilderness areas. I mean you can literally be weeks away from civilization. If anything happens you are basically on your own, no law at all out there. In that situation a firearm might be the difference between life or death.

Weeks? Where might that be? I know you can travel for hours in Sweden/Finland and Norway without seeing anything but a moose. I feel perfectly safe there without a gun.

[August]

Originally Posted by Fish

Weeks? Where might that be? I know you can travel for hours in Sweden/Finland and Norway without seeing anything but a moose. I feel perfectly safe there without a gun.

Our national park system alone encompasses 84.4 million acres.

Look, all this regulation does is bring the national park lands in line with the laws of the states they're located in. It's not like these huge wilderness areas have a fence around them.

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by August

Our national park system alone encompasses 84.4 million acres.

Look, all this regulation does is bring the national park lands in line with the laws of the states they're located in. It's not like these huge wilderness areas have a fence around them.

How many acres in a hectare? We have 60.4 million hectares..?

[magic452]

If memory serves me right about 2.5 acres to the hectare.
About 151 million acres. Lots of room to get lost in.