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04-11-08, 01:24 PM
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[tec] How to get refits to occur more reguarly
So ive been mulling over that early war conning tower. I keep waffeling on it. I like authentic, but it just doesnt have that classic gato silloutte. But the lack of a sense of progression on the conning towers ate at me, so i started looking at things more closely.
The answer it seems, after running some tests this morning, was in plain sight for all to see. The answer is this little line called: UnitPartInterval= One example of its location is: sh4\Data\UPCData\UPCUnitsData\UnitParts1Gato.upc Ill take some snippets now, and note the date Quote:
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Note that the exit date for the "bathtub" isnt until, 1 day shy of 1943. The entry date for the 2nd cut downtower is in the middle of 1942, and the exit day 1 month shy of 1945!!! So theres an obvious overlap, which is ok. It provides randomness in when you get the upgrades. My (and im assuming everyone elses problem) is that its TOO random, and not consistant enough, with some users complaining about having the same tower for most of the war. Looking at the exit dates of the towers, its entirely possible since most of them are forced out fairly late. The proof of the pudding: I made a test modlet using the Tambor with the following UnitPartInterval dates with all 4 of the towers i have going for the Tambor in TMO. Early war: NULL, 1941-12-09 Mid war: 1941-12-10, 1942-06-06 Late war: 1942-06-07, 1943-06-06 Elite: 1943-06-07, NULL I then scripted the Tambor out of Pearl harbor to have only one mission avaialble, a test mission that awards 1,000 renown for reaching an area just out side of pearl harbor. SO i could zip back and forth on simulated patrol runs. I have the days in port set to about 30 days in TMO. My results were....CONSISTANT, which is why i'm making this post. Starting on 8Dec 41, (departing around 9dec41) and docking the same day, the game advanced me to 15Jan42 for the next patrol. I then started and ended it the same day, each time i docked I recieved the midwar tower on 16 Jan 42. I did this 3 times, and each time it was the same result with the same dates. I then did a similar test with the midwar tower, and consistantly recieved the later war tower in a similar manner. Looking at the dates i used: Early war: NULL, 1941-12-09 - Mid war: 1941-12-10, 1942-06-06 My hypothises is that two conning towers share the same month, and the game looks less at the day, and more at the month. Looking at the dates i recieved the upgrades (01/42 and 07/42) the game gave me the wanted tower the instant the two upgrades didnt share the same month, with the previous tower, effectively "end of lifed". Im pretty excited about this, because now it looks like we can force the upgrade system to behave a little more consistantly. EDIT: After more testing, i can confirm something else. YOUR PERFORMANCE IS ALSO A FACTOR if you get a refit or not. After numberous test runs it looks as though that you have to have AT LEAST ONE GOOD PATROL. What does the game classify as a good patrol? That is in this file: \sh4\Data\Cfg\UPC.cfg In specific in this file, the very first block of data. Quote:
The instant i set the renown value to a value greater then 800 - or, i lowered this value in the upc.cfg file, i was awarded a refit. So in summary, the towers have to have an exit date to force the game to choose a new one, AND, you have to have at least one good patrol under your belt, as defined by the UPC.cfg file. ------------ As an aside, for TM, I have been doing a bit of research on wartime modifications, primarly because i keep waffeling on that early war conning tower everyone seems to dislike. (i sit on the fence, i like authentic, but its just not the classic gato silloutte either, so i cant make up my mind) In general, the paint and conning tower match is wrong. By default, when you get the 2nd AA platform, it changes to MS/32 paint. This wasn't generally added tell 1944 at the earliest. For proof of this, visit here: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/submarines.htm Look at the gato section, and look at the USS gato in particlar: http://www.shipcamouflage.com/gato_class.htm In 1943, she had an MS/9 paint job. Ok now look at the USS gato here: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08212a.htm If you look at her 1943 refit pictures, it is clearly an MS/9 paintjob - compare it to some of the pictures later in the war. So, for the majority of the war, US fleet boats were in fact, black. What i intended to do is clone the 3rd "late war" tower to create a 4th version for all boats. Change the dat in the 3rd tower to the black texture, and then advance the 4th tower in timeline to represent the ms/32 change over. Tower configurations: Early war - Ms/9 Mid war - MS/9 Late war (first version of 2nd AA plat form) - MS/9 "Elite" ( 2nd version of AA platform with further cutback on super structure) MS/32. I think the "late war" MS/9 version is a misnomer. The "elite" version is probably the true "late war". Last edited by Ducimus; 04-12-08 at 12:41 PM. |
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