Pope John Paul II Returns

Skybird · 10-17-07, 08:51 AM

Kranz,

I try to write loud and clear so that you can hear me up there where you are:

the wikipedia entry was for an easy overview on the man, assuming that many people, including you, would not know who he was. Probabaly no other psychotherapist ever has insisted on "meaning" and "sense" being two most vital essentials to ensure man's psychologcal health and strengthen his willingness to live, like Frankl did. And since you refer to the Holocaust and said all Jews there did know that they would have to die - this simply illustrates that you do not have much insight into the theme. Becasue what we know from witness reports - and Frankl'S work - is this: those who were unable to find their place in a belief or conviction that it all has a meaning beyond the imminent situation, and that they would survive, earlier became lethally desperate and physically weak, and sick, and died much faster and earlier than those who were able to hold convictions that gave them perspective beyond the horror they were caught in: and of these, a significantly higher ammount of people survived.

I have been a clinical psychologist once, and studied Frankl's therapy theory (called logotherapy) as well as some others during my university time, that's why I know some of his writings and his two major works. Not by wikipedia, which was not present at that time, but by having worked my way through the books from A to Z.

And in general I must say that again you sound very much confused, mildly put - others may have even much harsher descriptions on their mind.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Kranz, I try to write loud and clear so that you can hear me up there where you are: the wikipedia entry was for an easy overview on the man, assuming that many people, including you, would not know who he was. Probabaly no other psychotherapist ever has insisted on "meaning" and "sense" being two most vital essentials to ensure man's psychologcal health and strengthen his willingness to live, like Frankl did. And since you refer to the Holocaust and said all Jews there did know that they would have to die - this simply illustrates that you do not have much insight into the theme. Becasue what we know from witness reports - and Frankl'S work - is this: those who were unable to find their place in a belief or conviction that it all has a meaning beyond the imminent situation, and that they would survive, earlier became lethally desperate and physically weak, and sick, and died much faster and earlier than those who were able to hold convictions that gave them perspective beyond the horror they were caught in: and of these, a significantly higher ammount of people survived. I have been a clinical psychologist once, and studied Frankl's therapy theory (called logotherapy) as well as some others during my university time, that's why I know some of his writings and his two major works. Not by wikipedia, which was not present at that time, but by having worked my way through the books from A to Z. And in general I must say that again you sound very much confused, mildly put - others may have even much harsher descriptions on their mind. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 10-17-07 at 09:07 AM.