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Steeltrap · 08-17-07, 11:24 AM

I've often thought of making a thread like this but felt there wasn't a lot of point to it. I've always seen SH3 having more users than SH4, other than the initial flurry when SH4 came out. It's true as I write this, and has been for the last 3 months at least.

The differences for me are:
* SH3 offers more interesting gameplay.
* SH4 still has significant issues the modders in SH3 have gone much further to addressing.
* the Atlantic will always, to me, be the more interesting theatre. The Japs never really got their ASW together. The USA subs started with technological superiority and simply extended it throughout the war. The increasing difficulty of the Atlantic makes it more interesting and a greater challenge. To make the Pacific as much of a challenge you would have to ignore historical reality - pretty stupid aim for a sim!
* SH4 is superior to SH3 in only a few areas (graphics, crew organisation being the most obvious) and those aren't major factors in what makes me interested. The AI in SH4 is still very poor, I can't make surface attacks ever without being detected, the level of air patrols is totally absurd etc..... So SH3 is, with its mods, a far better sim in the ways that count.

Given the point about the different theatres involved, SH4 would have to do the most important things far better than SH3 for it to be as enjoyable for me. Fact is, it doesn't (in fact, given it was a 'new' release, it isn't even up to the level of SH3 - and we know why that is......).

08-17-07, 11:24 AM	#14
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I've often thought of making a thread like this but felt there wasn't a lot of point to it. I've always seen SH3 having more users than SH4, other than the initial flurry when SH4 came out. It's true as I write this, and has been for the last 3 months at least. The differences for me are: * SH3 offers more interesting gameplay. * SH4 still has significant issues the modders in SH3 have gone much further to addressing. * the Atlantic will always, to me, be the more interesting theatre. The Japs never really got their ASW together. The USA subs started with technological superiority and simply extended it throughout the war. The increasing difficulty of the Atlantic makes it more interesting and a greater challenge. To make the Pacific as much of a challenge you would have to ignore historical reality - pretty stupid aim for a sim! * SH4 is superior to SH3 in only a few areas (graphics, crew organisation being the most obvious) and those aren't major factors in what makes me interested. The AI in SH4 is still very poor, I can't make surface attacks ever without being detected, the level of air patrols is totally absurd etc..... So SH3 is, with its mods, a far better sim in the ways that count. Given the point about the different theatres involved, SH4 would have to do the most important things far better than SH3 for it to be as enjoyable for me. Fact is, it doesn't (in fact, given it was a 'new' release, it isn't even up to the level of SH3 - and we know why that is......).