faith in the police? not round here please.

[CB..]

yes they really do need to seperate the attacker from the victim--if by defending your self you can be in law labelled as the attacker then this illustrates the insane flaw in the laws (and in some ways society it self) interpretation of violence--and is precisely why the attacker is so often able to manipulate the ordinary person into becoming a "victim" simply by using the knowledge that if he/she defends him/herself then they them selves become the criminal--there-by making any possible morality impossible--

society acts very much as if it were schizophrenic and confused about violence-- as if it can't quite make up it's mind wether it likes it or not--
it's an unspoken vibe that often pervails that we would rather not have any more victims--rather than that we would rather not have any more violence---

no body likes victims---but we all kinda want to be Bruce Willis--

time for some joined up thinking--violence is still "cool" there are obvious reasons why this is--right back to the roots of mankind--the biggest most violent ape got to be boss--not that much has changed maybe it's about time it did?:hmm:
to the kids on the street this is the basic twist--we assume folks are intelligent enough to see past this--but they are allso intelligent to realise that violence or the threat of violence often gets them where they want to go--

and they quite rightly find the fact that the victim can be prosecuted for the very crime that is being perpertrated against them-
like Christmas and their birthday rolled into one---it's a bully mentality---and the law plays right along with it--and that is not a co-incidence IMO

it is as if the crime is to be attacked--and even then it is only a crime if the victim chooses to press charges---

so by that logic being attacked is only a crime if you are a "p*ssy"---that's the grass roots message this sends out loud and clear--
it feeds off those whose desire is to abide by the law-- it makes you a victim for attempting to abide by the law--it gives you no other option--

only when violence is considered a crime without question (within the confines of available evidence) will attitudes change--
if for example a person is witnessed being attacked on lets say CCTV cameras--then after some basic investigation the person seen attacking the other would be prosecuted as having commited a crime---full stop--the victim doesn't enter into it--either it is a crime to physically assault another person or it isn't--

when you are given a speeding ticket for exceeding the speed limit on a motorway--(having been caught on a speed camera)
no one asks the rest of the drivers on that stretch of road wether they minded you exceeding the speed limit--asking them if they as law abiding drivers want to press charges--

same thing should be done with violent incidents--the victim should not even have to appear in court
it should be a arbitary as a parking ticket--you hit some one -you broke the law--it can get more complicated than this--but only if we want to fudge the issues--if the violence is the crime--then this gives the victim back their self respect

then the victim can know on whose side the law really is--and they cease to be victims
it's societyand the law that makes ordinary law abiding citizens into victims--one minute they are walking their dog--the next they're a victim--what happenned?
a bit fuddled perhaps?

precisely