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Wulfmann · 06-03-06, 10:44 AM

I really need to pay more attention to what you are doing so I do not pull my hair out doing research on something you have already worked out.
That said realism is subjective.
What I mean is real 1943-45 convoys had 20-30 escorts with sweepers out front of our lead DD with extended screens and with Hunter killer groups behind to relieve the escorts once they arrived to take over attacking the U-Boats.
I admit that 20-30 as realism is excessive at this point but right now I am at 8-10 with tweaking the ships and sensors. (all 3 rated)
My feeling is one should be easy enough to escape (Osten’s was not typical by other accounts) 2 should be dangerous and 3 or more should be extremely difficult.
However, realism would also mean 12-36 hours of being held under and I can tell you 4 plus hours is not as much fun as one might think in real time; 1X (You have virtually no chance at anything but 1X)
My point is realism needs to have real screens and I find that the screens only start to go double row above 9 escorts. Try a convoy with say 15 and you will see the flanks get layered escorts, which is real, no sneaking in from the side across the bows of modern escorts.
They developed the FAT torpedoes for a reason.
We need to be forced to act and react as real Kaleun’s did and against the quantity and quality of the known enemy.
Making a convoy attack very difficult that has 4 escorts is not at all real. Even in late war a big convoy with only 4 escorts would be slaughtered. Coastal convoys had 4 escorts by 1944. testing late war convoy attacks against such small numbers does not imitate reality at all, IMO
I have redone all the English traffic (those multi ship groups) to be heavily escorted coastal convoys. Very nice to see 3 or 4 merchant ships and 2 to 4 escorts and this was what Post D-Day U-Boat activity represents.
We need to edit the dates so after D-Day the patrol grids are real, ergo around England and not how they are.
Anyway I will try to pay closer attention to your post so I benefit from your research and I may even have a valid point myself once in a while!

Wulfmann

06-03-06, 10:44 AM	#9
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I really need to pay more attention to what you are doing so I do not pull my hair out doing research on something you have already worked out. That said realism is subjective. What I mean is real 1943-45 convoys had 20-30 escorts with sweepers out front of our lead DD with extended screens and with Hunter killer groups behind to relieve the escorts once they arrived to take over attacking the U-Boats. I admit that 20-30 as realism is excessive at this point but right now I am at 8-10 with tweaking the ships and sensors. (all 3 rated) My feeling is one should be easy enough to escape (Osten’s was not typical by other accounts) 2 should be dangerous and 3 or more should be extremely difficult. However, realism would also mean 12-36 hours of being held under and I can tell you 4 plus hours is not as much fun as one might think in real time; 1X (You have virtually no chance at anything but 1X) My point is realism needs to have real screens and I find that the screens only start to go double row above 9 escorts. Try a convoy with say 15 and you will see the flanks get layered escorts, which is real, no sneaking in from the side across the bows of modern escorts. They developed the FAT torpedoes for a reason. We need to be forced to act and react as real Kaleun’s did and against the quantity and quality of the known enemy. Making a convoy attack very difficult that has 4 escorts is not at all real. Even in late war a big convoy with only 4 escorts would be slaughtered. Coastal convoys had 4 escorts by 1944. testing late war convoy attacks against such small numbers does not imitate reality at all, IMO I have redone all the English traffic (those multi ship groups) to be heavily escorted coastal convoys. Very nice to see 3 or 4 merchant ships and 2 to 4 escorts and this was what Post D-Day U-Boat activity represents. We need to edit the dates so after D-Day the patrol grids are real, ergo around England and not how they are. Anyway I will try to pay closer attention to your post so I benefit from your research and I may even have a valid point myself once in a while! Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates