Europe's migrant problem

CCIP · 09-13-15, 06:43 AM

See, that's what I don't get - there's all these scares about "immigrants coming in and changing laws to fit their culture", but I'm yet to see many substantive examples of that in law. Usually it's the opposite - see all the pushes to outlaw veils etc. The only two areas where I see religious law being allowed is 1) religious arbitration (e.g. allowing certain minorities to conduct things like family court, marriage and divorce, minor civil cases according to their customs); 2) education (religious schools). But those are the same rights that the religious majority has always had, or else goodbye Sunday schools and church weddings. Everything else is not law - schoolboards and government organizations might get zealous in enforcing political correctness, but fundamentally it's not law in any cases that I've seen. Things like food control/options? Purely a commercial choice - and they're controlled by voluntary business associations, not governments. I'd also remind that many other minorities have always had such organizations and pushed for similar rights in education and family law. I also remind that many foreign countries have always afforded similar rights to their minorities. If you look at Syria as it was, what you'll find is a lot of religious diversity and a complex minority picture. Many of these people are coming in precisely with that, and those most vulnerable aren't even from the dominant religion.

A lot of this is just hot air being blown by conservatives trying to instill a sense of fragility/entitlement on people that are neither fragile nor constitutionally entitled to have special protections for their collective ego.

09-13-15, 06:43 AM	#11
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	See, that's what I don't get - there's all these scares about "immigrants coming in and changing laws to fit their culture", but I'm yet to see many substantive examples of that in law. Usually it's the opposite - see all the pushes to outlaw veils etc. The only two areas where I see religious law being allowed is 1) religious arbitration (e.g. allowing certain minorities to conduct things like family court, marriage and divorce, minor civil cases according to their customs); 2) education (religious schools). But those are the same rights that the religious majority has always had, or else goodbye Sunday schools and church weddings. Everything else is not law - schoolboards and government organizations might get zealous in enforcing political correctness, but fundamentally it's not law in any cases that I've seen. Things like food control/options? Purely a commercial choice - and they're controlled by voluntary business associations, not governments. I'd also remind that many other minorities have always had such organizations and pushed for similar rights in education and family law. I also remind that many foreign countries have always afforded similar rights to their minorities. If you look at Syria as it was, what you'll find is a lot of religious diversity and a complex minority picture. Many of these people are coming in precisely with that, and those most vulnerable aren't even from the dominant religion. A lot of this is just hot air being blown by conservatives trying to instill a sense of fragility/entitlement on people that are neither fragile nor constitutionally entitled to have special protections for their collective ego. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)