US fears Israel would not advise it in advance if it strikes Iran

[Sammi79]

Right, Sky, all I have actually said or wanted to say I repeat one final time : I think it's Ironic. You can say you don't, and why, but you can't stop me thinking that or suggest I am wrong to do so. I have obviously annoyed you in a previous argument, and to be honest I am glad. Sorry for the ad hominem folks but you asked for it Sky, you consistently show yourself to be extremely right wing, fascistic and of totally reproachable character.

So now for your further entertainment, I shall respond in your own style.

Originally Posted by Skybird

I said that if they want a showdown over their damn bomb, then I prefer them to suffer instead of us.

They want a bomb like the bullies who would bully them, not a showdown. If they get a bomb, they can hardly bully anyone else who has one, a lesson from the cold war.

Originally Posted by Skybird

I prefer an Iranian bunker factory or research site being taken out to a suitcase bomb with radioactive material going off in Frankfurt or London.

I prefer taking out the logistics and infrastructure that facilitates such sites and avoiding possible nuclear disasters.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Oh they do.

No, they haven't.

Originally Posted by Skybird

I need no rehtorics to show you that.

I think you do.

Originally Posted by Skybird

They say they want to annihilate Israel.

Promises, promises.

Originally Posted by Skybird

They already shoot at Israel.

That's quite an accusation, definitive proof of Iranian military attacks upon Israel in the last decade please.

Originally Posted by Skybird

They support Islamic terror around the world, they finance it, equip it, support it by training and intel.

Bit like the CIA then, or Mossad. Oh right, Islamic, rather that Christian or Zionist. They are all the same, these extreme Abrahamic nutjubs.

Originally Posted by Skybird

They have infiltratred and taken over Lebanon.

That's between Lebanon and Iran.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Thanks to them, Hezbollah is there - and armed stronger than ever before.

But they don't have nuclear weapons.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Iranian RG commandoe are there and train Hezbollah.

Quite. Despicable behavior I agree. A bit like us training the Taliban to fight off those pesky commies during the cold war.

Originally Posted by Skybird

They want an Islamic global rule, which is the aim of Islam.

You are talking about a minority of religious idiots, and making a gross generalisation.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Is that aggressive and violent enough for you, yes?

No.

Originally Posted by Skybird

If Israel is being pushed into a corner.

Excuses, excuses.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Iran has not been pushed into a corner, and theirs is a record of proxy wars and violence and terror support.

Hmmm, again I see striking similarities here with the USA, Russia, China, etc...

Originally Posted by Skybird

Maybe you think it is clever to still give them the benefit of doubt when wanting to decidce whether or not leaving them nukes.

Maybe I think it's ironic that nations staggering under the weight of their own nuclear arsenal think they have any right to dictate who is or is not allowed a nuclear arsenal. Otherwise, you know, I might have said something different.

Originally Posted by Skybird

But that is insanity.

Maybe so, but those were your words, not mine.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Iran act offensiovely.

Like Israel then.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Iran acts agressively.

Like Israel...

Originally Posted by Skybird

Iran acts criminally and inhumane.

I could swear you meant to type Israel in place of Iran there.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Iran threatens extinction and annihilation not as a retaliatory means, but offensively.

Promises, promises.

Originally Posted by Skybird

If the people want not to be held respkjnbile for what is beign done in their name, then they have to raise up.

Like the Germans rose up against Hitler you mean?

Originally Posted by Skybird

That may come at a price, but that'S how it is.

So you think then that Germany and its people should be held permanently accountable for WW2 and all that sprung from it, the cold war, and the current situation in the ME regarding Israel then?

Originally Posted by Skybird

However, having spend loinger time in Iran years ago, I learned the many difefefnt people/classes there, and if yoiu think the regime has support only by a minority of the ordinary population, then you are simply wrong. It is not that simplistic.

Neither is it as simplistic as 'they all support it or are too weak to rise up therefore they should all suffer the same fate determined by us outsiders because oh, we're just so righteous' - pathetic. honestly.

Originally Posted by Skybird

We are not led to believe.

Yes we are.

Originally Posted by Skybird

We see it from their record of the past 30 years.

Shown to us via our own propaganda media.

Originally Posted by Skybird

And I refer again to the difefrence of the setting of the cold war, which desopite all overkill potential was cold rational and a mutual agreement for a balance that nobody wanted or dared to break (except Cuba), and the hysteric climaste and emotioanlly charged, irrational environment the ME is.

Sky have you any idea how wrong your interpretation of the cold war is? it was not rational, it damn near ended humanity more than once, and contained plenty of emotionally charged anti communist and anti capitalist hysteria.

Originally Posted by Skybird

You do not want a nuclear arms race there between 4 local rivals.

Not really, no. But our nations set the example they want to follow you know.

Originally Posted by Skybird

You really do not want that.

You already said that.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Not with these players.

You already said that as well.

Originally Posted by Skybird

The problem with you is that you ignore their own deeds and acts and words, claim to know ebtter what really goes on (while ignoring the evident), and give them the benefit of doubt as long as a terror strike has not killed or contaminated 50.000 people.

I don't claim anything, Sky, all I said was I think it's ironic... where are you getting all of this from my posts?

Originally Posted by Skybird

I accept that if you would pout only your own life and that of your own family at risk - then I couldn't care less.

Well thanks for your kind words. I see it's very easy for you to subhumanise people and use rhetoric to rationalise it. Now that is very familiar, where have we seen that before?

Originally Posted by Skybird

But if they trim their weapons at my directions and that of the country I live in, while having such a terrosit records marked on their behalf, then I warn them while the wepaon still is moving - but short before it actually is aimed at me I strrike them first if they do not stop.

all the while your weapons are trained on them and you deny this is threatening or intimidating and they should just accept it?

Originally Posted by Skybird

You see, I am not suicidal idiot enough to let them proceed beyond a certain critical mark. Yolu can prefer to do that, if you want, but again: do that with your own family only - not with 50.000 others as well.

Well now I don't feel so bad about my calling you a right wing fascist.

Islamaphobia = Anti semitism : you just switched the target of your persecution.

I don't agree with you Sky and I am prepared to leave it at that, I only replied as you seem to delight in picking apart my rather simplistic post stating a single opinion and turned it into a page of vehement diatribe with a fervor that equals that of the fundamentalists you aspire to hate, over which I feel compelled to defend my position. Mods I am sorry If this offends and I agree it is way off topic, so I understand if you feel the need to give me an infraction, but Sky here goaded me into it over a simple one line statement and I must give as good as I get. Apologies.