Rigged Training, Lesser Learning??

snowsub · 12-11-05, 08:14 PM

What's with the US and training exercises and "adjusting" the rules to suit the outcome they want?
I would have thought that learning from things that don't go as you would like, whould actually be benifitial for the miltary personnel involved, rather than just having them go though the motions.

I just watched a dvd on the collins class submarine (HMAS Rankin) and it's voyage taking in the 2004 RIMPAC exercises.
Rankin was involved in a small exercise on the way to hawaii with 4 US ships and a US Submarine, during which after loosing contact with Rankin the US activated Active sonar which was not supposed to be part of the exercise (passive sonar only), nevertheless Rankin avoided the sonar, and took pictures of the target destroyer "winning" the exercise.
Next during RIMPAC, the US stationed 3 helo's above Rankin before the exercise even started so Ranking couldn't be "lost" (reason being on the previous RIMPAC, HMAS Waller "sunk" one of the US's Aircraft Carriers and the US didn't want the same thing happening to USS Stennis sp?).

During the Exercise, HMAS Rankin avoided a torpedo fired at it (using emergency blow ballast :hmm: ) and sucessfully evaded the helo's using another ships noise.

I've also heard that during another exercise where the US was testing they're new intergrated systems (global electronic network etc) against a "modern military" (they used Isreal as the model enermy), the US general commanding the Op-For used instant, co-ordinated overwhelming attacks to overload the electronic systems of the US forces, which the US then didn't count, changed the rules so it wouldn't happen again and consequently "won" the exercise.

Now I'd have though it would have been much better for US forces to actually learn from losses and make sure they can counter such circumstances, or is the US more interested in projecting the image of being Supreme rather that the actually facts?

Sorry, pretty long winded I know, just curious on what other people, specifically ex-military people thoughts on the issue?

Snowsub.

12-11-05, 08:14 PM	#1
snowsub 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Moreton bay Posts: 286 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Rigged Training, Lesser Learning?? What's with the US and training exercises and "adjusting" the rules to suit the outcome they want? I would have thought that learning from things that don't go as you would like, whould actually be benifitial for the miltary personnel involved, rather than just having them go though the motions. I just watched a dvd on the collins class submarine (HMAS Rankin) and it's voyage taking in the 2004 RIMPAC exercises. Rankin was involved in a small exercise on the way to hawaii with 4 US ships and a US Submarine, during which after loosing contact with Rankin the US activated Active sonar which was not supposed to be part of the exercise (passive sonar only), nevertheless Rankin avoided the sonar, and took pictures of the target destroyer "winning" the exercise. Next during RIMPAC, the US stationed 3 helo's above Rankin before the exercise even started so Ranking couldn't be "lost" (reason being on the previous RIMPAC, HMAS Waller "sunk" one of the US's Aircraft Carriers and the US didn't want the same thing happening to USS Stennis sp?). During the Exercise, HMAS Rankin avoided a torpedo fired at it (using emergency blow ballast :hmm: ) and sucessfully evaded the helo's using another ships noise. I've also heard that during another exercise where the US was testing they're new intergrated systems (global electronic network etc) against a "modern military" (they used Isreal as the model enermy), the US general commanding the Op-For used instant, co-ordinated overwhelming attacks to overload the electronic systems of the US forces, which the US then didn't count, changed the rules so it wouldn't happen again and consequently "won" the exercise. Now I'd have though it would have been much better for US forces to actually learn from losses and make sure they can counter such circumstances, or is the US more interested in projecting the image of being Supreme rather that the actually facts? Sorry, pretty long winded I know, just curious on what other people, specifically ex-military people thoughts on the issue? Snowsub. __________________