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[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Until Hitler attacked France as well (after Poland) it was also not proven that the Nazis planned to take on most of Europe and would destroy much of it and all of Germany, too. Still it would have been clever to shoot Hitler already in the mid-30s - after he had clued the world repeatedly for what kind of politics were to be expected from him.

So you advocate assassinating everyone who may be a threat to your way of life? Again you show yourself to be more the enemy than they are. What if you're wrong about even one of them?

At that time it was about your suicidal concept of what freedom is, no matter the topic. And you entangled yourself in an inner contradiction that was illustrated by the so-called dilemma of freedom as it was summarised by Popper.

Suicidal? As opposed to you, who would destroy what I stand for in the name of saving it? How are you different from them? You've never answered that one.

Until you cannot solve that dilemma, you have no argument to defend your view. And that is the problem that you simply bypass by "I don'T know, but nevertheless I want freedom for everybody, even for those that want to destroy it".

And again you choose to ignore what I just repeated about starting points. I've said over and over that I know that no ideal is perfect, but you just waltz right around it and attack my "idealism" again. Once again you're creating your own argument and arguing with your straw man, while ignoring what I say about myself.

You have plenty of arguments why not to defend freedom against somebody telling you in your face he wants to destroy it, and acting like that. But I have not heared an argument why you would want to defend it even if that means to reject that somebody telling you he wants to destroy it.

And you've never addressed my argument that you are one of the ones who wants to destroy it.

Sorry Steve, but I refuse to take that serious. You are simply wrong here. You can call me a professor or lecturer as much as you want - on this issue of total freedom you are wrong.

And there you go again, arguing with your straw man. How many times do I have to repeat that I know the ideal I believe in is just that? How many times do I have to repeat that it's a starting point for discussion, only to have you refuse to discuss, but rather insist that you have the only truth and if I don't listen and obey I'm dooming myself and everyone else?

Many people think like you think.

You apparently don't know what I think at all. I try to explain myself, you preach some more. I try to have an actual discussion, you give a lecture. I try to actually talk, you create more arguments, and preach a liitle more, and lecture a little more, then end by saying I've "entangled" myself. This is exactly the same thing you did on the old WW2 thread. This isn't about discussing the facts, or coming up with ideas. This is about you being right, and trying to force everyone else to fit into your mold.

Prevention, Steve - that is what it is about. Prevention instead of letting things break, and then see.

And I agree. What we have a problem with is what form said prevention should take. You claim that all Islam is evil. What do you want to do? Lock them all up? Kick them all out of our respective nations? Kill them all? For all your dismissive lecturing, you never actually talk about it.

And, on top of it all, you've still never addressed the original point of that thread - the erection of a building. Too simple for you?