and they call us "Astro turfers"

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If you think the insurance companies haven't poured millions of dollars into whipping up the masses against real health care reform, you're fooling yourself.

But by all means, go ahead and let millions of people die because your corporate masters want to score cheap political points against the other side.

That's a tad grand, don't you think?

I've never hidden the fact that I support some sort of universal health care, but millions of people are not dying because of a corporate approach. In fact, corporations are the single largest payers of health insurance in this country, helping to provide private insurance to MILLIONS of Americans. Furthermore, all Americans HAVE ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE - they just get billed for it and it goes on their credit.

As a result, I'd like to suggest that we dispense with the Michael Moore dramatics and approach the issue reasonably. Personally, I believe that some measure of universal health care should happen. I believe there should be a government option for catastrophic care, and I believe it is possible to create an economic system that can deter the overuse that leads to rationed care, while still not making standard care inaccessible.

But what does our idiotic Congress do? They write bills that are beyond convoluted and seem to only marginally decrease the financial burden of the individual, while making absurd promises out of hand (such as, it's cost neutral, it won't help lead to the elimination of private insurance, etc.).

Ultimately, mookie, your side is failing because they are flat out lying. Sure, they have good intentions - but the average American isn't so stupid as the buy the BS they're selling (cost neutral? REALLY???). Furthermore, the average American understands that they are proposing a dramatic change in the nation's healthcare landscape, all the while they clearly either have no grasp on the full cause/effect factor of the bill, or they do and are lying about it.

This is the least trusted Congress in American history, and they want us to trust them to dramatically and convolutedly change the very nature of something that so many of us have little problem with. And, they want to ram it down our throats, right on the tail of a failed stimulus package that constituted the greatest amount of government spending in HISTORY. And they want us to trust the predictive powers of the White House and a president who told us that the stimulus must be rushed through and doing so would prevent unemployment from rising beyond 8%.

The fact is that, especially regarding healthcare, the White House and Congress have no idea what the hell they are doing. Americans, by and large, are aware of the fact that they have no idea what the hell they are doing.

And that, my friend, is why there's a stiff resistance.