America = doomed (merged many times)

[August]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

yea! why are you suddenly trusting the CIA's data!?! They never make mistakes.

I'm afraid they're trusting the CIAs data because it says what they want it to say. Hmmm, :hmm: where have I heard that argument before?

[nikimcbee]

The whole thing is frustrating. They (certain people in the left) don't want us to have a major role in the World. They cut the military waaaaaaay down, then the faux rage when the troops don't have the equipment to get the job done. They sell our technology secrets. They cut the CIA to nothing, then are shocked when we get bad or no intellience back.

It all seems self fulfilling.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

I also believe in the end we will destroy ourselves. Possible fallout is coming closer. When? I don't know. My only regret is bringing my daughter into this pathetic world. I try so hard to give her the best. Even knowing that there is so much crap all over the place. So much hatred so much ignorance so much immaturity.

We're suppose to be a civilized right? I don't think so. We are far from that.

We're suppose to be normal right? Who can define what is normal anymore? We allow our leaders or elites to kill us off slowly loosing jobs, houses, food and values.

We're doomed because we don't learn. We've been repeating this over and over for a long time. Different reasons different names but in the end the same outcome.

How many of us are going to die till we realizes our errors and make a change to secure a people as a whole? Not by colour or language or country.

I suggest you guys do this...

Take a moment sit back and relax. Really look at what is going on outside your window. Really look around. You don't have to see far to see the $H!T flying around you. Who's responsible for our predicament? Who's benefiting from our suffering?
Who is laughing to the banks?

Maybe you all should direct your anger and frustrations at those who are responsible for destroying us one by one.

As long as they divide and concur us we will loose and obey.

So how long do you think before we loose our sanity and someone presses the red button...?

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

It's time for the world to meet its new master:
http://www.lejdd.fr/cmc/internationa...de_165415.html
:rotfl:

Well, he certainly fullfills one urgend french requirement for becoming a ruler. He "is" rather small

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Well, he certainly fullfills one urgend french requirement for becoming a ruler. He "is" rather small

You guys didn't read the report I see. The US will maintain its position, but it will have new rivals, and those rivals do not come from Europe. Europe's standard of living is expected to drop off like a rock.

Throw in some major conflicts between 3 Superpowers (USA/China/India), add in some mass starvation as the three vi for resources, and that is what the report is made of. Europe will become a distant memory of what it once was. The future looks ugly, but much worse for you guys. This is probably the result of you guys giving up your military if I had to guess.

-S

[August]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

how do you frickin' say "humour" and "ironie" in your language ?

Pretty much the same way but with less letters...

Originally Posted by August

Pretty much the same way but with less letters...

Mikhay, seriously, how does one respond to this?

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Mikhay, seriously, how does one respond to this?

Pretty much the same way but with less letters...

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...592268,00.html

SPIEGEL: What are your expectations for the next Secretary of the Treasury?
Soros: I think we need a large stimulus package which will provide funds for state and local government to maintain their budgets -- because they are not allowed by the constitution to run a deficit. For such a program to be successful, the federal government would need to provide hundreds of billions of dollars. In addition, another infrastructure program is necessary. In total, the cost would be in the 300 to 600 billion dollar range.

SPIEGEL: In addition to the $700 billion bailout for the financial industry?
Soros: Definitely. I think this is a great opportunity to finally deal with global warming and energy dependence. The US needs a cap and trade system with auctioning of licenses for emissions rights. I would use the revenues from these auctions to launch a new, environmentally friendly energy policy. That would be yet another federal program that could help us to overcome the current stagnation.

SPIEGEL: Your proposal would be dismissed at Wall Street as "big government." Republicans might call it European-style "socialism."
Soros: That is exactly what we need now. I am against market fundamentalism. I think this propaganda that government involvement is always bad has been very successful -- but also very harmful to our society.

SPIEGEL: Would you advise the new president to say that publicly?
Soros: He has already spoken about changing the political discourse . I think that it is better to have a government that wants to provide good government than a government that doesn't believe in government.

SPIEGEL: However, even a strong government can't perform miracles. It needs money from the taxpayers. There is a lot of talk in the US about the new role of the state and the government -- but no one seems to be willing to pay for it. Obama has announced to cut taxes for 95 percent of working Americans. Isn't that a contradiction?
Soros: At times of recession, running a budget deficit is highly desirable. Once the economy begins to recover, you have to balance the budget. In 2010, the Bush tax cuts will expire and we should not extend them. But we will also need additional revenues. Should the government not receive them, we will all get punished with higher interest rates.

SPIEGEL: Everybody says we have to regulate the financial markets more. That sounds good, but is it realistic? Can one really tame the markets?
Soros: Between regulators and market participants, there is a cat and mouse game going on which has been going on indefinitely…

SPIEGEL: ….where often the mice, the market participants, have the upper hand.
Soros: Because they got the extra boost from market fundamentalists. But the outcome was disastrous, as we see now. I think it is better to have a cat and mouse game where the cat has the upper hand than a cat and mouse game where the mice are ruling. Because the latter means that the market participants are given free range. That was actually the big misconception of our national hero Ronald Reagan who always talked about the magic of the market.

SPIEGEL: So, you support stricter regulation and more efficient control of the markets?
Soros: Indeed. However, you have to recognize that regulations will never be completely successful and they will always be full of holes. You must constantly be ready to fill new holes. Actually regulation should be kept to a minimum, but there has to be some cooperation between market participants and authorities -- as was the case in the early post war years. The Bank of England was a very successful regulator by cooperating with market participants. This cooperative spirit was broken by the market fundamentalists.

SPIEGEL: Not in Germany. We have many semi-private banks that largely dominate the market. Politicians serve on their supervisory boards. But they are in particularly bad shape.
Soros: These public-private partnerships are very, very dangerous. The most rotten part of the financial system in the US consisted of the government sponsored entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They really kicked off this crisis. The state should set the rules and enforce them -- but not become involved as a market player.

[Hylander_1314]

The international banking cartel is the biggest culprit for the world's financial problems. How long can a world who's banking system is based on debt, continue to rise unabated? When a nation's money, or fiat currency is based on nothing of value, and naturally regulated by the ammount of value available, will it last? The reason for setting up these so called banking systems was the main argument of stablizing a country's monetary system. This started a little over 400 years ago with the Bank of England, and this form of banking has done nothing to stablize the monetary system of any nation it has been established in. If anything, the opposite has been done. Nations have been broken, and the people of individual nations have been unfairly taxed to pay for these nests of vipers all in the name of profit for a few, and misery for the masses.

Even Thomas Jefferson said, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

And the same stockholders who own the banks of Europe, are also stockholders in the Federal Reserve.

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created." -- Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it". -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever seen.
There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that this nation is run by the
International bankers -- Congressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

"Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government's institutions.
They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies which prey upon the people
of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their foreign swindlers" -- Congressional
Record 12595-12603 -- Louis T. McFadden, Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932

[XabbaRus]

SInce the money and stock markets are basically the biggest con trick on the go, all this money doesn't exist except on someone's spreadsheet and in the mind, why don't we just baseline stuff...

Value is ephemereal....wipe it all out and start again.

[Hylander_1314]

But the privately owned central banks would need to be dismantled so the a nation and a people are not under the yoke and will of a few greedy hands, that have alliegenge to anything but profit at the expense of the nation and the people.

[Skybird]

British commander in Afghanistan renews new British sense of realism:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7747145.stm

When the commander of British forces in Afghanistan tells you that "good enough" is the best that can be achieved here, you have to sit up and listen.
(...)
The Afghanistan British troops leave behind - and no-one is willing to commit to any timeline other than to repeat the mantra that it will take "many years" - is going to be an imperfect state.
Parts of it may well remain beyond the reach of central government in Kabul, and some of those responsible for the mayhem of the last 30 years could well retain much of their power and influence, perhaps even their militia.
It is a far cry from the beacon of democracy some had hoped for. "I don't think it will be recognisable in Western Europe, but Afghanistan will be something which will provide good enough security for the people. I think good enough should be what we look for," the brigadier said.

"It's not second best, it's realistic."

"There is a new realism in the air. In fact, all that has happened is that the rhetoric is finally catching up with what is actually happening on the ground.
My guess is that ordinary Afghans have known for some time that the liberation of 2001 offered more promise than delivery.
(...)

[Rockstar]

DRUDGE 2009...

RUSSIAN ANALYST PREDICTS DECLINE AND BREAKUP OF USA
Tue Nov 25 2008 09:04:22 ET

A leading Russian political analyst has said the economic turmoil in the United States has confirmed his long-held view that the country is heading for collapse, and will divide into separate parts.

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily IZVESTIA published on Monday: "The dollar is not secured by anything. The country's foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse."

The paper said Panarin's dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year's events.

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: "It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world's financial regulator."

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: "Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia."

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: "A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles."

He also cited the "vulnerable political setup", "lack of unified national laws", and "divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions."

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that "we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all." Panarin, 60, is a professor at the Diplomatic Academy of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and has authored several books on information warfare.

Developing...

[Skybird]

Steady decline: yes, but complete breakup: currently not in sight, and claiming Alaska for Russia: not as long as Palin prowls in the Alaskan wilderness! I mean the Russians would be crazy if they want her...