Sharia already in Britain

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And it seems to have worked.

No one ever said that propaganda was not effective with the people.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Platapus

But at the mention of Islam, people get suddenly so concerned. I wonder why?

I dont, its not like the threat to our culture is imaginary.

[joegrundman]

Although I'm British, I haven't actually lived in the UK since 2003, so when I stumbled on this article i was surprised.

In a rare event, a subsim GT discussion has provided illumination and a sense of perspective

thanks very much

joe

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

I dont, its not like the threat to our culture is imaginary.

But the threat is not by Muslims though. The threat to our society are criminals who happen to be Muslim.

You might want to check your logic there.

Even if the case can be made that terrorists are Muslims, that does not mean that Muslims are terrorists.

There are significantly more Muslims who mean us no harm than there are Muslims intending to do us harm.

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

I dont, its not like the threat to our culture is imaginary.

Threat to culture?

The biggest threat to traditional English culture is the lack of morris dancers and
the preference the young have for coffee and hamburgers over tea and scones.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

Why make this a issue about Islam?
There are plenty of other kinds of arbitration courts.

A town not far from me has it's own secular one. Some churches and synagogues have them.
They have been around for a very long time. This is n new issue and no Islam-specific issue.

If you don't think they should have authority over you, they don't!
If you don't think they are just, don't take your cases there.

< Letum buries head in sand....Tries to justify it and fails....>

-S

[Foxtrot]

can a burglar sue the owner of house if he is injured/trapped during his "job"?

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by DanD

Dear Americans friends,
I don't know how to tell you this but American courts enforce Sharia law as well, Texan courts even:

„Sharia already in Texas“, so to speak
http://www.2ndcoa.courts.state.tx.us...pinionID=14601
The parties entered into a contract that provided for Sharia arbitration; the court considered challenges to the arbitral process, and upheld the awards.
via
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2...tml#1202454061
with comment:
„And of course the application of Sharia law was indeed a perfectly normal matter. American courts are governed by American law, but American law has long provided that parties to contracts can provide for alternative dispute resolution mechanisms (such as arbitration). American law has likewise long provided that some contractual disputes would be resolved with reference to foreign law, especially when the law is expressly provided for by the contract. It doesn't matter whether the arbitration or the foreign law is secular or religious -- secular and religious rules are treated basically equally, on the principle that the parties' contractual choices should be honored unless some extraordinary circumstance makes it unfair to do so.“ http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2...tml#1202454061

Despite the tensions between Islamic rules and Western convictions, Islamic law is generally applicable on certain levels in all Western countries and enforced by all Western courts. The rules of International Private Law may lead to the result that the foreign law of an Islamic country is applicable. The freedom of contract as a basic principle of private law allows you to agree upon the application of Islamic law within the limits of the public order.

Originally Posted by Platapus

Well you better start revolting as the United States has recognized arbiration courts since 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Arbitration_Act

This really is nothing to get your undies in a twist about. Arbitration is a valid way of handling disagreements.

No conspiracy. In the case of the original poster a voluntary arbitration tribunal has been formed to arbitrate according to religious teachings. This is hardly a unique organization.

Here is a christian arbitration group

http://www.bluestratus.net/servlets/...%20Clauses.pdf

This organization advises people on how to put religious conditions on contracts. Don't hear anyone screaming about this one though.

P'SHARA Jewish Dispute Resolution, Inc. is a jewish arbitration organization. Anyone complaining about that one? Did not think so.

But at the mention of Islam, people get suddenly so concerned. I wonder why?

I have been pwned


I may still revolt anyway. just for fun

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

< Letum buries head in sand....Tries to justify it and fails....>

Instead of making a broad statement like that, with out backing it up with
anything, how about countering me with reasoned argument, facts, examples,
or any other way there is to disagree with some one in a way that holds weight.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

I may still revolt anyway. just for fun

Spoken like a true Jeffersonian.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Foxtrot

can a burglar sue the owner of house if he is injured/trapped during his "job"?

Ok this is going to ruin your day.

Massad Ayoob wrote about some cases where he served as an expert witness for self defense shooting cases.

There was this case where the criminal courts ruled that the homeowner was justified in shooting a burglar.

Then the case went into civil court. The family of the burglar successfully sued the homeowner because the homeowner, by defending himself, deprived the family of their livelihood (burglary).

The homeowner ended up paying "damages" to the burglar's family!!!

There is no limit if you have a slicky lawyer and a stupid judge.

That is so wrong on so many levels.