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Old 06-11-08, 01:50 PM   #1
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This is pretty bad.

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METRO NEWS BRIEFS: CONNECTICUT; Judge Rules That Police Can Bar High I.Q. Scores

A Federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit by a man who was barred from the New London police force because he scored too high on an intelligence test.


In a ruling made public on Tuesday, Judge Peter C. Dorsey of the United States District Court in New Haven agreed that the plaintiff, Robert Jordan, was denied an opportunity to interview for a police job because of his high test scores. But he said that that did not mean Mr. Jordan was a victim of discrimination.


Judge Dorsey ruled that Mr. Jordan was not denied equal protection because the city of New London applied the same standard to everyone: anyone who scored too high was rejected.


Mr. Jordan, 48, who has a bachelor's degree in literature and is an officer with the State Department of Corrections, said he was considering an appeal. ''I was eliminated on the basis of my intellectual makeup,'' he said. ''It's the same as discrimination on the basis of gender or religion or race.''
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Old 06-11-08, 01:52 PM   #2
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heh.
Did the force give reason as to why they disallow people with high IQs?

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heh.
Did the force give reason as to why they disallow people with high IQs?
That would be my question as well. The only thing i can think of is overqualification issues...
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heh.
Did the force give reason as to why they disallow people with high IQs?
That would be my question as well. The only thing i can think of is overqualification issues...
I thaught about that..
IQ isn't really a qualification tho.....is it?
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Nope. It should be desired in my opinion - and that goes for any position on the planet, from a janitor to the president.

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Nope. It should be desired in my opinion - and that goes for any position on the planet, from a janitor to the president.

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Well look at it from the employers point of view. A person smart enough to be president is not likely to keep a janitors job for very long. An employer who is paying for a person to go to "janitor school" (not the best example but you get the idea) wants an employee that is going to stick around.
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Nope. It should be desired in my opinion - and that goes for any position on the planet, from a janitor to the president.

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Well look at it from the employers point of view. A person smart enough to be president is not likely to keep a janitors job for very long. An employer who is paying for a person to go to "janitor school" (not the best example but you get the idea) wants an employee that is going to stick around.

Thats true enough.
I once applied for a quick cash job and got turned down because the employer rightly
guessed I wasn't planning on sticking around for long.

Fair enough too.

I wonder what the police IQ limit is?
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Well look at it from the employers point of view. A person smart enough to be president is not likely to keep a janitors job for very long. An employer who is paying for a person to go to "janitor school" (not the best example but you get the idea) wants an employee that is going to stick around.
You can also look at it from the perspective of - being a cop is what this guy really wants to do in life! He may be the best cop they ever had!

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May be they are worried that people with "high IQs" will be less likely to remain in the career?

Unless there is some solid evidence of this, this sounds like a pretty silly reason to exclude someone from the service.

Are the police academies really that full that they can afford to turn away people like this?
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...Are the police academies really that full that they can afford to turn away people like this?
They are just spending their money in the wrong places - such as buying APC's and turning themselves into a military force, not a civil one. A smart cop may derail that mentality and go back to the way cops are supposed to be - talking and interacting with their public, and maybe sitting down for a cup of coffee with them. That is my vision of how things should be.

Andy Griffith comes to mind.

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PS. Instead, this is where we are going:

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Old 06-11-08, 08:48 PM   #11
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Maybe he wrote down all the bad things donuts can do on his IQ test. That would have caused the ban!
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A person smart enough to be president ...
Wow! That smart
@Letum I think we prefer the word service to force whe referring to the police
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Mr. Jordan, 48, who has a bachelor's degree in literature and is an officer with the State Department of Corrections, said he was considering an appeal. ''I was eliminated on the basis of my intellectual makeup,'' he said. ''It's the same as discrimination on the basis of gender or religion or race.''
Or maybe he is a middle aged goober with an interest in the romances and a superior ego to go along with that intellect. Somebody who the Chief didn't figure would make a good fit at the NHPD. This reason being as good as any other in getting rid of him.
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So what they are saying in effect is that you have to be slightly dumb to be a police officer!
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He's intelligent, with an interest in the classics. An obvious elitist.

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