En planes in TM1.7.6 and RSRD

tomoose · 04-13-08, 02:01 PM

It's early war and I'm patrolling Luzon/Japan route. Lots and lots of air radar intercepts particularly in the middle of the night (i.e. zero-dark-thirty etc). Is this intended or am I missing something? I've been attacked a few times when it's quite dark (Jap pilots apparently have NVGs, LOL).
I'm using 1.4 (still), can't seem to find the add-on up here, certainly not at EBGames.

CaptainHaplo · 04-13-08, 02:11 PM

If your playing stock - yes thats the way its coded. Look into getting the ASW mod - it changes the traffic to be more realistic.

tomoose · 04-14-08, 01:59 PM

.....1.4 with TM and RSRD.

Quillan · 04-14-08, 02:13 PM

I recommend upgrading to TMO for the 1.4 game. Two things will happen with the planes, 1 good and 1 bad:

GOOD: The number of air contacts will go WAYYYYYY down. The only planes that will show up in the game will be dedicated sub hunters, so unless you've been spotted and called in, you won't see them very often.

BAD: The evil, evil aircraft of TMO can see you under the water. They'll occasionally spot you 150-200 feet down and still bomb you at that depth. Be very very careful with aircraft in TMO.

Khourieat · 04-14-08, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quillan

BAD: The evil, evil aircraft of TMO can see you under the water. They'll occasionally spot you 150-200 feet down and still bomb you at that depth. Be very very careful with aircraft in TMO.

I didn't know that was possible for the time period, I figured they could spot something at periscope depth, but 200 feet is pretty far down.

We're sub hunting aircraft scouting by eyes or using some sort of accoustic probe?

Quillan · 04-14-08, 02:43 PM

Technically, spotting one that deep probably is impossible for the time period. The problem is the game doesn't allow you to differentiate. Ducimus added sensors that let them spot the plane below the surface; the Pacific is pretty clear apparently, and I've seen photos of submerged subs where they were obvious so it's possible. The result was that sometimes the random number generator results in a spotting, even though you might be 200 feet down, pointing directly at or away from the plane, rough seas at dawn/dusk, and in view for 10 seconds.

Someone posted a pretty good strategy for dealing with radar air contacts in TMO: as soon as the SD radar reports an air contact, check and see if it will come within view of your boat (about 5 nm). If so, submerge to at least 250 feet deep and go to 16x time compression until 5 minutes have passed. Once that happens, come back to periscope depth, extend the SD antenna mast, and if you don't get any air contacts on radar, go ahead and surface. It works pretty well; even if they spot you 250 down the air-dropped ordnance can't go that deep so you're safe. But I've been bombed at 180 feet before.

Khourieat · 04-14-08, 02:46 PM

Crazy stuff :p Glad I'm still running stock. I'm still trying to make sure I got everything figured out properly.

schurem · 04-14-08, 03:23 PM

I wonder where i can at put the plane sensors back to their original settings. <starts poring over .cfg files>

Wilcke · 04-14-08, 04:20 PM

Whether you are running 1.4 or 1.5, I highly recommend moving up to Trigger Maru Overhaul, as the issues were addressed to a point.

Ducimus · 04-14-08, 06:14 PM

TM1.7.6 doesnt exist anymore as far as im concerned.

04-13-08, 02:01 PM	#1
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	En planes in TM1.7.6 and RSRD It's early war and I'm patrolling Luzon/Japan route. Lots and lots of air radar intercepts particularly in the middle of the night (i.e. zero-dark-thirty etc). Is this intended or am I missing something? I've been attacked a few times when it's quite dark (Jap pilots apparently have NVGs, LOL). I'm using 1.4 (still), can't seem to find the add-on up here, certainly not at EBGames.

04-13-08, 02:11 PM	#2
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	If your playing stock - yes thats the way its coded. Look into getting the ASW mod - it changes the traffic to be more realistic. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

04-14-08, 01:59 PM	#3
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	I'm using.... .....1.4 with TM and RSRD.

04-14-08, 02:13 PM	#4
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I recommend upgrading to TMO for the 1.4 game. Two things will happen with the planes, 1 good and 1 bad: GOOD: The number of air contacts will go WAYYYYYY down. The only planes that will show up in the game will be dedicated sub hunters, so unless you've been spotted and called in, you won't see them very often. BAD: The evil, evil aircraft of TMO can see you under the water. They'll occasionally spot you 150-200 feet down and still bomb you at that depth. Be very very careful with aircraft in TMO. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

04-14-08, 02:43 PM	#6
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Technically, spotting one that deep probably is impossible for the time period. The problem is the game doesn't allow you to differentiate. Ducimus added sensors that let them spot the plane below the surface; the Pacific is pretty clear apparently, and I've seen photos of submerged subs where they were obvious so it's possible. The result was that sometimes the random number generator results in a spotting, even though you might be 200 feet down, pointing directly at or away from the plane, rough seas at dawn/dusk, and in view for 10 seconds. Someone posted a pretty good strategy for dealing with radar air contacts in TMO: as soon as the SD radar reports an air contact, check and see if it will come within view of your boat (about 5 nm). If so, submerge to at least 250 feet deep and go to 16x time compression until 5 minutes have passed. Once that happens, come back to periscope depth, extend the SD antenna mast, and if you don't get any air contacts on radar, go ahead and surface. It works pretty well; even if they spot you 250 down the air-dropped ordnance can't go that deep so you're safe. But I've been bombed at 180 feet before. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

04-14-08, 02:46 PM	#7
Khourieat Helmsman Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NYC, USA Posts: 110 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Crazy stuff :p Glad I'm still running stock. I'm still trying to make sure I got everything figured out properly.

04-14-08, 03:23 PM	#8
schurem Loader Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 90 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	I wonder where i can at put the plane sensors back to their original settings. <starts poring over .cfg files>

04-14-08, 04:20 PM	#9
Wilcke The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,441 Downloads: 234 Uploads: 0	Whether you are running 1.4 or 1.5, I highly recommend moving up to Trigger Maru Overhaul, as the issues were addressed to a point. __________________ Wilcke **For the best in Fleet Boats go to: Submarine Sim Central. http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php Check out: A Brief Introduction to the Pacific Submarine War by Ducimus http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=128185 Operation Monsun plus OMEGU, the #1 ATO Solution for SH4! Signature Art by Gunfighter**

04-14-08, 06:14 PM	#10
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	TM1.7.6 doesnt exist anymore as far as im concerned.