Great Lakes Freighters

Yorktown_Class · 04-10-08, 11:00 PM

Hi all,

I noticed that there are Great Lakes Freighters in SH3,not sure if it is part of GWX or the stock game,I am wondering if GLFs were actually in Europe during WW2 or in the Pacific for that matter,or are these ships just added to the game.I can't find any info on any of these ships in the Atlantic,if anyone has any info on this,I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you...

Yorktown_Class · 04-10-08, 11:13 PM

This is the ship I am talking about.

GoldenRivet · 04-11-08, 02:26 AM

personally, i dont have a difinitive answer for you.

BUT

i do know that the ships were added as a result of GWX.

I also know that the GWX modding team did hundreds of man hours of research into the war in the atlantic and WW2 in general for each bit of content they elected to include in the mod

IIRC... pretty much every boat that was able to float was put into service.

someone will come along with a 100% answer... but i have a feeling the great lakes freighters were used in the atlantic.

rod_oil · 04-11-08, 04:21 AM

Quote from GWX manual (page 425):

Great Lakes Freighter

Historical background

Great Lakes freighters or “lakers” ranging from a 1,000 to over 10,000 GRT have hauled bulk cargo
such as iron ore, lumber, limestone, grain, salt, coal, cement, sand, slag, and potash through the North
American Great Lakes since the 19

th century. These boats do not experience saltwater corrosion and can
have careers spanning decades; however, several were lost during World War II after the British
government requisitioned Canadian lakers to move bulk cargo on the high seas.
The Chicago Tribune newspaper used the MV Chicago Tribune to carry pulpwood from sawmills in the
upper Lakes to an Ontario paper mill to make newsprint; the Luftwaffe sank her in the English Channel
on June 18, 1940 while she was hauling Welsh coal to France.865

Figure 485: Great Lakes freighter M/V
Chicago Tribune on the way to the Tribune’s paper mill (1930)

866

The Great Lakes freighter in GWX

The Great Lakes freighter in GWX is a generic representation of the Great Lakes freighters called into
service on the world’s oceans. It will randomly sailing alone and as called for by the campaign scripting.

Figure 486: Great Lakes freighter in GWX

865

“The Quebec and Ontario Transportation Company, Ltd,” The Scanner, Vol III, No. 4, January 1971.

http://www.hhpl.on.ca/GreatLakes/Doc...lt.asp?ID=c007

866

Archives of Ontario # C 7-2-0-7-62, http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/englis...aper/1900s.htm

GoldenRivet · 04-11-08, 08:00 AM

There you have it... as a devout reader of the book of GWX i should have at least thought to check the manual! :rotfl:

danlisa · 04-11-08, 08:18 AM

LOL

Das Buch has the answers again.

Not just a game manual but a history lesson.

Jimbuna · 04-11-08, 08:30 AM

Pity I'm not on home pc......definite need for some of the custom RTFM smilies

geosub1978 · 04-11-08, 09:49 AM

Check these for example:

http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/3460.html
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/2116.html
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1693.html
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1358.html
http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/2127.html

rod_oil · 04-11-08, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danlisa

Not just a game manual but a history lesson.

:rotfl: Not only history lesson but a lot of more! :rotfl:

Soon! In CINEMAS! Watch!

Indiana Jones and GWX manual

04-11-08, 09:58 AM

boom ! you get a straightforward, detailed, documented answer

it gets better everyday- and I am glad to be a part (very small part) of it!

geosub1978 · 04-11-08, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by von stauber

straightforward, detailed, documented

This is how submarines are driven!

Koondawg · 04-11-08, 12:28 PM

Jimbo u teaser u...always an excuse...:hmm:

Yorktown_Class · 04-11-08, 01:13 PM

Thanks guys very much,as a person living in Michigan,I have a fondness for the Great Lakes Freighter,been around them all my life,but I had no idea they sailed the Atlantic.
I concider myself a history buff,and thought I knew a lot about WW2,but you guys got me beat 10 fold.This is why I love this sim,you notice I don't call it a game,I like factual events,and GWX does that.
When I looked through the scope and saw it,I thought NO WAY,it was a shame to sink her

Thank you for the links too

You guys ROCK...Thank You

Syxx_Killer · 04-11-08, 03:37 PM

As another Michigander who loves the Great Lakes freighter, I was so happy to see the ship included with GWX. I never saw one in a patrol, but if I did I wouldn't have been able to sink her. Great Lakes freighters just look too... elegant to do that. I'll send a traditional styled bulk carrier to the bottom no problem.

Come to think of it, I think the Deep Sea Detectives dove on a wreck of a Laker that was sunk in the Gulf of Mexico or something. I only saw the episode once and that was quite a while ago. I wish that show was still on.

Jimbuna · 04-11-08, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koondawg

Jimbo u teaser u...always an excuse...:hmm:

04-10-08, 11:00 PM	#1
Yorktown_Class Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 263 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 0	Great Lakes Freighters Hi all, I noticed that there are Great Lakes Freighters in SH3,not sure if it is part of GWX or the stock game,I am wondering if GLFs were actually in Europe during WW2 or in the Pacific for that matter,or are these ships just added to the game.I can't find any info on any of these ships in the Atlantic,if anyone has any info on this,I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you... __________________ David

04-10-08, 11:13 PM	#2
Yorktown_Class Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 263 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 0	This is the ship I am talking about. __________________ David

04-11-08, 02:26 AM	#3
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	personally, i dont have a difinitive answer for you. BUT i do know that the ships were added as a result of GWX. I also know that the GWX modding team did hundreds of man hours of research into the war in the atlantic and WW2 in general for each bit of content they elected to include in the mod IIRC... pretty much every boat that was able to float was put into service. someone will come along with a 100% answer... but i have a feeling the great lakes freighters were used in the atlantic. __________________

04-11-08, 08:00 AM	#5
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	There you have it... as a devout reader of the book of GWX i should have at least thought to check the manual! :rotfl: __________________

04-11-08, 08:18 AM	#6
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	LOL Das Buch has the answers again. Not just a game manual but a history lesson. __________________

04-11-08, 04:21 AM	#4
rod_oil A-ganger Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Russia Posts: 73 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Quote from GWX manual (page 425): Great Lakes Freighter Historical background Great Lakes freighters or “lakers” ranging from a 1,000 to over 10,000 GRT have hauled bulk cargo such as iron ore, lumber, limestone, grain, salt, coal, cement, sand, slag, and potash through the North American Great Lakes since the 19 th century. These boats do not experience saltwater corrosion and can have careers spanning decades; however, several were lost during World War II after the British government requisitioned Canadian lakers to move bulk cargo on the high seas. The Chicago Tribune newspaper used the MV Chicago Tribune to carry pulpwood from sawmills in the upper Lakes to an Ontario paper mill to make newsprint; the Luftwaffe sank her in the English Channel on June 18, 1940 while she was hauling Welsh coal to France.865 Figure 485: Great Lakes freighter M/V Chicago Tribune on the way to the Tribune’s paper mill (1930) 866 The Great Lakes freighter in GWX The Great Lakes freighter in GWX is a generic representation of the Great Lakes freighters called into service on the world’s oceans. It will randomly sailing alone and as called for by the campaign scripting. Figure 486: Great Lakes freighter in GWX 865 “The Quebec and Ontario Transportation Company, Ltd,” The Scanner, Vol III, No. 4, January 1971. http://www.hhpl.on.ca/GreatLakes/Doc...lt.asp?ID=c007 866 Archives of Ontario # C 7-2-0-7-62, http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/englis...aper/1900s.htm

04-11-08, 08:30 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,922 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Pity I'm not on home pc......definite need for some of the custom RTFM smilies __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-11-08, 09:49 AM	#8
geosub1978 Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salamis Base Posts: 567 Downloads: 229 Uploads: 0	Great Lakes Check these for example: http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/3460.html http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/2116.html http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1693.html http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/1358.html http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/2127.html __________________

04-11-08, 09:58 AM	#10
von stauber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	this forum never ceases to amaze me- you ask a question and... boom ! you get a straightforward, detailed, documented answer it gets better everyday- and I am glad to be a part (very small part) of it!

04-11-08, 12:28 PM	#12
Koondawg Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Pasadena, Ca Posts: 852 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Jimbo u teaser u...always an excuse...:hmm:

04-11-08, 01:13 PM	#13
Yorktown_Class Lieutenant Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 263 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 0	Thanks guys very much,as a person living in Michigan,I have a fondness for the Great Lakes Freighter,been around them all my life,but I had no idea they sailed the Atlantic. I concider myself a history buff,and thought I knew a lot about WW2,but you guys got me beat 10 fold.This is why I love this sim,you notice I don't call it a game,I like factual events,and GWX does that. When I looked through the scope and saw it,I thought NO WAY,it was a shame to sink her Thank you for the links too You guys ROCK...Thank You __________________ David

04-11-08, 03:37 PM	#14
Syxx_Killer Admiral Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 2,387 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	As another Michigander who loves the Great Lakes freighter, I was so happy to see the ship included with GWX. I never saw one in a patrol, but if I did I wouldn't have been able to sink her. Great Lakes freighters just look too... elegant to do that. I'll send a traditional styled bulk carrier to the bottom no problem. Come to think of it, I think the Deep Sea Detectives dove on a wreck of a Laker that was sunk in the Gulf of Mexico or something. I only saw the episode once and that was quite a while ago. I wish that show was still on.