[TEC] missing eyes

vickers03 · 03-22-08, 12:06 PM

hi,
i'm investigating the missing eyeball problem and this
is what i've got so far:

eyes are not missing but stuck on the wrong position
inside the head. editing marine.dat allows to change
position (z-axis) of the eyeballs.

but this does not solve the problem as not all
crew members always have missing eyes at the same time.

files that could be causing the problem are:
data/library/characters/marine.dat
data/shaders/ - too much to list all..

maybe someone with real knowledge could take a look.

for me on my ATI card HD3870 eyes are only missing on the
conning deck, but that all the time.

it would be helpful for further investigation if all of you
with the missing eyes issue could list which graphics card you have
and when the problem does occur.

Superbus · 03-22-08, 01:01 PM

GeForce 8800 GTS 512 (SLI or dual conf) with Forceware version 169.25. Eyes of the crew disappear all the time, but I can't say exactly when. Thanks for your effort I hope you can nail this one down.

Nisgeis · 03-22-08, 02:57 PM

When it happens you can clip off the crew's faces with the free camera and see the eyes and teeth inside the head. The eyes normally look at the camera, but when they go into freaky mode, they no longer follow the camera.

kakemann · 03-22-08, 03:13 PM

The eyeless crewmembers are frightening!

If anyone would sove this it would be great!

THE_MASK · 03-22-08, 03:48 PM

Something impossible to fix like an amimation file maybe .

TheBlobThing · 03-22-08, 06:24 PM

Radeon X1600XT

My guys' eyes dissappear in two different ways. Both bored into their skulls and also in their right place but with a skin tone texture instead of the real eye texture.

Oh and this happens to both my watch crew, conning tower and command room crew...

Go4It · 03-22-08, 11:07 PM

eVGA 8800 GTS 512 G92 w/169.21 drivers with XP SP2 an I have no problems with the eyes.

vickers03 · 03-23-08, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

When it happens you can clip off the crew's faces with the free camera and see the eyes and teeth inside the head. The eyes normally look at the camera, but when they go into freaky mode, they no longer follow the camera.

this is an interesting aspect, never noticed that. thanks for this one!

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

Something impossible to fix like an amimation file maybe .

with the new s3edit some animations can be edited

so we have the problem on all kinds of different graphic cards, i thought
it was only an issue with newer cards:hmm:

MGR1 · 03-23-08, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vickers03

so we have the problem on all kinds of different graphic cards, i thought it was only an issue with newer cards:hmm:

I don't think it's a graphic card problem.

I always get it after being in time compression mode for any length of time. I normally swap a crewmember about in the management screen to cure that. Once you do that, they go back to normal.

It's probably the same type of animation issue as the dive planes not working properly if you dive or surface whilst in TC.

Which means it could be a coding issue?

My 2p

Mike.

DrBeast · 03-24-08, 08:16 AM

I noticed this very rarely on my old rig (Radeon X1650 Pro, Omega 4.8.442 drivers). Now it's there pretty much every time I load up the game in Single Mission to test my new rig's performance (HD3650 on the same drivers). Maybe it's an AA/AF issue...? I have upped both from AAx2 AFx4 on my old junk bucket to AAx4 AFx8 on the new rig. :hmm:

vickers03 · 03-24-08, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrBeast

I noticed this very rarely on my old rig (Radeon X1650 Pro, Omega 4.8.442 drivers). Now it's there pretty much every time I load up the game in Single Mission to test my new rig's performance (HD3650 on the same drivers). Maybe it's an AA/AF issue...? I have upped both from AAx2 AFx4 on my old junk bucket to AAx4 AFx8 on the new rig. :hmm:

changing or turning off AA/AF settings shows no difference..

it's a rendering issue, maybe pixel/vertex shader related...
somehow the eyes don't get the right coordinates sometimes.. but why is that?

Able72 · 03-24-08, 01:49 PM

I have an idea, why not add period sunglasses to all the crew and watch officers

DrBeast · 03-25-08, 07:37 AM

Something just piqued my interest...I re-read the posts, and I noticed you mentioned Marines.dat. As it happens, I'm using an Officer Insignia and Cap mod by Captain Cox, adapted for patch 1.3/1.4, which has a modified Marines.dat file. I don't have the add-on.

vickers03 · 03-25-08, 08:41 AM

there is no difference in using the stock
or edited marines.dat, eyes are still missing.

..this never happened in SH3, so it must be
some of the new stuff they added to the
engine..

momo55 · 03-25-08, 06:20 PM

I have the missing eyes also and i noticed before that it always happens when comming out of time compression .
I always degradet TC step by step till 1...waited a wile and than moved to the bridge or commandroom . then they had eyes ..next time not .

Been playing till a few minutes ago and tried another aproche and hey ...i saw more succesfull switches (with eyes) from stations after time compression (i use max 512 /mostly 64 and 128 and stay at 1 when the enemy is nearby) .

What i dit was : when in time compression and on the map ..DON'T DEGRATE TC..and ALWAYS hit the COMMANDROOM first and then go to the bridge (Don't go from the map to the bridge !). It worked most of the times .

Maybe i was just lucky today ...i don't know ...try it captains and let's see ..:rotfl:yeah ...LET'S SEE

greetz all

03-22-08, 12:06 PM	#1
vickers03 Pooped from posting Join Date: May 2007 Location: germany Posts: 999 Downloads: 712 Uploads: 37	[TEC] missing eyes hi, i'm investigating the missing eyeball problem and this is what i've got so far: eyes are not missing but stuck on the wrong position inside the head. editing marine.dat allows to change position (z-axis) of the eyeballs. but this does not solve the problem as not all crew members always have missing eyes at the same time. files that could be causing the problem are: data/library/characters/marine.dat data/shaders/ - too much to list all.. maybe someone with real knowledge could take a look. for me on my ATI card HD3870 eyes are only missing on the conning deck, but that all the time. it would be helpful for further investigation if all of you with the missing eyes issue could list which graphics card you have and when the problem does occur.

03-22-08, 03:13 PM	#4
kakemann Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pretty close to the big german cruiser Blücher in Norway Posts: 568 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	The eyeless crewmembers are frightening! If anyone would sove this it would be great! __________________ My SH4 releases compatible with SH4 1.5 and earlier: Kakemann and ATR-42's Silent Hunter 4 Music FIX Kakemann and Lurker_hlb3 Destroyer sensors and radar FIX Tutorial: How to add new music tracks to SH4

03-24-08, 08:16 AM	#10
DrBeast The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Out In Space Posts: 1,408 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	I noticed this very rarely on my old rig (Radeon X1650 Pro, Omega 4.8.442 drivers). Now it's there pretty much every time I load up the game in Single Mission to test my new rig's performance (HD3650 on the same drivers). Maybe it's an AA/AF issue...? I have upped both from AAx2 AFx4 on my old junk bucket to AAx4 AFx8 on the new rig. :hmm: __________________ Let the Beast inside you free!

03-24-08, 01:49 PM	#12
Able72 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Somewhere in the North Atlantic Posts: 343 Downloads: 299 Uploads: 0	I have an idea, why not add period sunglasses to all the crew and watch officers __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink, others require our assistance." Nathan Zelk

03-25-08, 07:37 AM	#13
DrBeast The Old Man Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Somewhere Out In Space Posts: 1,408 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Something just piqued my interest...I re-read the posts, and I noticed you mentioned Marines.dat. As it happens, I'm using an Officer Insignia and Cap mod by Captain Cox, adapted for patch 1.3/1.4, which has a modified Marines.dat file. I don't have the add-on. __________________ Let the Beast inside you free!

03-22-08, 01:01 PM	#2
Superbus Watch Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 20 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	GeForce 8800 GTS 512 (SLI or dual conf) with Forceware version 169.25. Eyes of the crew disappear all the time, but I can't say exactly when. Thanks for your effort I hope you can nail this one down.

03-22-08, 02:57 PM	#3
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	When it happens you can clip off the crew's faces with the free camera and see the eyes and teeth inside the head. The eyes normally look at the camera, but when they go into freaky mode, they no longer follow the camera.

03-22-08, 03:48 PM	#5
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Something impossible to fix like an amimation file maybe .

03-22-08, 06:24 PM	#6
TheBlobThing Soundman Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: On dry land, in Copenhagen Posts: 142 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Radeon X1600XT My guys' eyes dissappear in two different ways. Both bored into their skulls and also in their right place but with a skin tone texture instead of the real eye texture. Oh and this happens to both my watch crew, conning tower and command room crew...

03-22-08, 11:07 PM	#7
Go4It Engineer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South of Buffalo N.Y. USA Posts: 209 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	eVGA 8800 GTS 512 G92 w/169.21 drivers with XP SP2 an I have no problems with the eyes.

03-25-08, 08:41 AM	#14
vickers03 Pooped from posting Join Date: May 2007 Location: germany Posts: 999 Downloads: 712 Uploads: 37	there is no difference in using the stock or edited marines.dat, eyes are still missing. ..this never happened in SH3, so it must be some of the new stuff they added to the engine..

03-25-08, 06:20 PM	#15
momo55 Frogman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 297 Downloads: 125 Uploads: 0	I have the missing eyes also and i noticed before that it always happens when comming out of time compression . I always degradet TC step by step till 1...waited a wile and than moved to the bridge or commandroom . then they had eyes ..next time not . Been playing till a few minutes ago and tried another aproche and hey ...i saw more succesfull switches (with eyes) from stations after time compression (i use max 512 /mostly 64 and 128 and stay at 1 when the enemy is nearby) . What i dit was : when in time compression and on the map ..DON'T DEGRATE TC..and ALWAYS hit the COMMANDROOM first and then go to the bridge (Don't go from the map to the bridge !). It worked most of the times . Maybe i was just lucky today ...i don't know ...try it captains and let's see ..:rotfl:yeah ...LET'S SEE greetz all __________________ Our greatest glory is not in never failing , but in rising up every time we fail .