Narwhal/Tench Class 3D Models

mcaa666 · 03-20-08, 07:49 PM

After installing TMO (IMO the best mod out there) and reading the txt file about the pseudo narwhal and the inability of Ducimus to model in 3D my brains went into overdrive.
A bit of history about myself: I'm a freelance 3D modeler that concentrates on building cars in 3D.
When i started working with 3D software i wanted to mod cars for Midtown Madness ( i know not really a direct link to subs).
Since then (1999) i've been learning and learning (i did not go to any school for this, i learned it all by myself) and now it's time for me to do what i wanted to do when i started and that's game modding.
Since SH3 & 4 are two of my alltime favourite games i wanted to do something for them.
I guess the Narwhal would be a cool place to start.
Only thing is.... i need reference pictures on what models you guys want.
So any help is welcome.

You can send it to: Mcaa666@hotmail.com

Thnx for all the help

P.S. if anyone is up for it: i might need some help texturing it.

Ducimus · 03-20-08, 08:05 PM

I think in one post, you'll probably have made yourself one of the most popular people in modding, in two different forums!

If you want lots of pictures of the Narwhal, heres a good place to start:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08167a.htm
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08168a.htm

mcaa666 · 03-20-08, 08:21 PM

That's cool hahaha, well i hope i can live up to your expectations.
Thnx for the links.
ducimus, do you have any idea's about early or late war configurations?
And anyway to get the second deck gun working?
I understand it is an issue with the switch option not being available for deckguns but only for flakguns?
Isn't it possible to switch the positions of the flakgun with those of the deckguns?

CinC Battleforce · 03-20-08, 08:23 PM

you may also find Tench class photos there as well

here are some links to Tench

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/04idx.htm
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/lode.php?l...d=&idtrida=481

and i can give you a page number in a book, but that probably wouldn't do you any good

DeepIron · 03-20-08, 08:31 PM

If it's your goal to add new vessels to SH4, I strongly urge you to read through this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=111177
before you get started modeling new vessels. At the current time, it is not possible to add new vessels to SH4 until we find a way to create SH4 .dat files, a project that is being currently worked on by Skwasjer and his S3D utility. There are a number of "support" files that have to be created along with the model as well.

Not to throw a wet blanket on your enthusiasm, just wanted you to know...

Ducimus · 03-20-08, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcaa666

do you have any idea's about early or late war configurations?
And anyway to get the second deck gun working?
I understand it is an issue with the switch option not being available for deckguns but only for flakguns?
Isn't it possible to switch the positions of the flakgun with those of the deckguns?

The configurations on the conning tower, you can see from the pictures. Look at the early and late war pictures. But in essence, not very different from any other class of submarine. The problem is, during a refit, the 2nd deck gun gets removed and disappears. Thats why i removed refits and put it at its midwar configuraiton. As for deck guns, theres no functionalty within the game to cycle deckguns like you can cycle flak guns. So the crew has to control the 2nd gun while you can operate only one of them.

As to the Tench, i dont think theres any need to do a tench. Its wartime appearance is the spitting image of a Balao, and a cloned Balao does that quite well.

CinC Battleforce · 03-20-08, 08:51 PM

well i desagree they looked alot alike but the Tench had a knuckle on the bow while a Baloa had a Gato type bow. I will show you what i mean

Tench class
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/usa/ss/img/rys-ss421.gif

Balso class
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/usa/ss/img/rys-ss306.gif

Gato class
http://www.warshipsww2.eu/usa/ss/img/rys-ss213.gif

If i knew how to put the pics directly up here in the post i would. So sorry for just the links. I would love to see a Tench class model just for the historic side of things

mcaa666 · 03-20-08, 08:59 PM

In regards to building new .dat files.
My understanding is that i can import .obj files (basicly the 3D files) into existing .dat files so i take Ducimus' Pseudo Narwhal and change the model that's in there.
At least that was my intention.
But anyway i can still start building i guess.
Other than that i would like to mention that this is going to be a LOT of work and that i don't underestimate the task that lies ahead.
Personally i think the Narwhal is (was) one of the coolest boats out there and knowing the level of perfection i care to put in all my models i hope you won't be dissappointed.

Greetz Mcaa666

P.S. I'm in the middle of moving to a new house so work on the model will probably begin around the 1st of April

P.P.S I'm also building the 1/72 USS Gato Modelkit from Revell and it struck me that the Gato Class ingame lacks a little length. Any comments on that?

Hitman · 03-21-08, 12:03 PM

Quote:

I guess the Narwhal would be a cool place to start.

I LOVE YOU

Please please do it, we NEED it, the sim will never be complete without a Narwhal

Sledgehammer427 · 03-21-08, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman

the sim will never be complete without a Narwhal

Agreed. its like that one last peice of the puzzle

i wish i could help, but im afraid my 3d modeling skills stop at doughnuts sitting on cones...

and about the 2 deck guns ordeal... my information may be misplaced, but i saw in game shots of a balao with 2 5 inchers fore and aft, maybe theres a way to port that, or have i been looking at the SH4 manual too much?

rebel5555 · 03-21-08, 01:45 PM

I was watching a show on the History Channel "Battle 360". The first episode was about the battle of Midway and mainly focused on USS Enterprise. But, USS Nautilus was mentioned that it had attacked a Battleship with all Dud Torpedoes and was continuously chased by a Japanese Destroyer which eventualy led a Squadren of US Dive Bombers to the Japanese Fleet. In the Show, USS Nautilus Had a Late War Conning Tower, Part of it's Deck was wood (probably Oak from the conning tower to about 20 feet to bow and stern), and it had two Naval Artillery pieces one Fore and One Aft.

CCIP · 03-21-08, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman

Quote:

I guess the Narwhal would be a cool place to start.

I LOVE YOU

Please please do it, we NEED it, the sim will never be complete without a Narwhal

mcaa666 · 03-22-08, 11:02 PM

Thnx for all the feedback so far.
I've go lots of reference material now but what i need now are some photo's showing the rudder and prop section (this will be hard to find i know because most of the photographed boats are in the water) but if anyone can find any or has any they would be most welcome.
Regarding importing/exporting into .dat files, i guess i will have to wait for that option to come to S3D, but in the meanwhile i will start on the 3D model soon.
During that time it is my intention to post screenshots of the model as it develops.

Stay tuned ....more to follow once i'm settled in my new house around the first of april.

Cheers...

thefretmaster · 03-23-08, 01:57 PM

hey there! im very interested to see some of your work. I am learning 3ds max at the moment and hope to go on to study it at university soon.
have you got a website with any of your previous work on it?
cheers

Hitman · 03-23-08, 04:24 PM

Quote:

what i need now are some photo's showing the rudder and prop section (this will be hard to find i know because most of the photographed boats are in the water) but if anyone can find any or has any they would be most welcome.

Ask and you shall receive

(Note these pics are mainly about the Argonaut, but simmilarities are nearly total to Narwhal/Nautilus):

03-20-08, 07:49 PM	#1
mcaa666 Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 58 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Narwhal/Tench Class 3D Models After installing TMO (IMO the best mod out there) and reading the txt file about the pseudo narwhal and the inability of Ducimus to model in 3D my brains went into overdrive. A bit of history about myself: I'm a freelance 3D modeler that concentrates on building cars in 3D. When i started working with 3D software i wanted to mod cars for Midtown Madness ( i know not really a direct link to subs). Since then (1999) i've been learning and learning (i did not go to any school for this, i learned it all by myself) and now it's time for me to do what i wanted to do when i started and that's game modding. Since SH3 & 4 are two of my alltime favourite games i wanted to do something for them. I guess the Narwhal would be a cool place to start. Only thing is.... i need reference pictures on what models you guys want. So any help is welcome. You can send it to: Mcaa666@hotmail.com Thnx for all the help P.S. if anyone is up for it: i might need some help texturing it.

03-20-08, 08:31 PM	#5
DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If it's your goal to add new vessels to SH4, I strongly urge you to read through this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=111177 before you get started modeling new vessels. At the current time, it is not possible to add new vessels to SH4 until we find a way to create SH4 .dat files, a project that is being currently worked on by Skwasjer and his S3D utility. There are a number of "support" files that have to be created along with the model as well. Not to throw a wet blanket on your enthusiasm, just wanted you to know... __________________ RFB / RSRDC Beta Tester RFB / RSRDC Modding Forum: http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php RFB Top Post link: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=125529 RFB Loadout: RFB_V1.52_102408: RFB_V1.52_Patch_111608: RSRDC_RFBv15_V396

03-21-08, 01:45 PM	#11
rebel5555 Mate Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 55 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I was watching a show on the History Channel "Battle 360". The first episode was about the battle of Midway and mainly focused on USS Enterprise. But, USS Nautilus was mentioned that it had attacked a Battleship with all Dud Torpedoes and was continuously chased by a Japanese Destroyer which eventualy led a Squadren of US Dive Bombers to the Japanese Fleet. In the Show, USS Nautilus Had a Late War Conning Tower, Part of it's Deck was wood (probably Oak from the conning tower to about 20 feet to bow and stern), and it had two Naval Artillery pieces one Fore and One Aft. __________________

03-23-08, 01:57 PM	#14
thefretmaster Officer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: filton england Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	hey there! im very interested to see some of your work. I am learning 3ds max at the moment and hope to go on to study it at university soon. have you got a website with any of your previous work on it? cheers __________________ Check out my band www.myspace.com/retrostate

03-20-08, 08:05 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I think in one post, you'll probably have made yourself one of the most popular people in modding, in two different forums! If you want lots of pictures of the Narwhal, heres a good place to start: http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08167a.htm http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08168a.htm

03-20-08, 08:21 PM	#3
mcaa666 Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 58 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	That's cool hahaha, well i hope i can live up to your expectations. Thnx for the links. ducimus, do you have any idea's about early or late war configurations? And anyway to get the second deck gun working? I understand it is an issue with the switch option not being available for deckguns but only for flakguns? Isn't it possible to switch the positions of the flakgun with those of the deckguns?

03-20-08, 08:23 PM	#4
CinC Battleforce A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 78 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	you may also find Tench class photos there as well here are some links to Tench http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/04idx.htm http://www.warshipsww2.eu/lode.php?l...d=&idtrida=481 and i can give you a page number in a book, but that probably wouldn't do you any good

03-20-08, 08:51 PM	#7
CinC Battleforce A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 78 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	well i desagree they looked alot alike but the Tench had a knuckle on the bow while a Baloa had a Gato type bow. I will show you what i mean Tench class http://www.warshipsww2.eu/usa/ss/img/rys-ss421.gif Balso class http://www.warshipsww2.eu/usa/ss/img/rys-ss306.gif Gato class http://www.warshipsww2.eu/usa/ss/img/rys-ss213.gif If i knew how to put the pics directly up here in the post i would. So sorry for just the links. I would love to see a Tench class model just for the historic side of things

03-20-08, 08:59 PM	#8
mcaa666 Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 58 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	In regards to building new .dat files. My understanding is that i can import .obj files (basicly the 3D files) into existing .dat files so i take Ducimus' Pseudo Narwhal and change the model that's in there. At least that was my intention. But anyway i can still start building i guess. Other than that i would like to mention that this is going to be a LOT of work and that i don't underestimate the task that lies ahead. Personally i think the Narwhal is (was) one of the coolest boats out there and knowing the level of perfection i care to put in all my models i hope you won't be dissappointed. Greetz Mcaa666 P.S. I'm in the middle of moving to a new house so work on the model will probably begin around the 1st of April P.P.S I'm also building the 1/72 USS Gato Modelkit from Revell and it struck me that the Gato Class ingame lacks a little length. Any comments on that?

03-22-08, 11:02 PM	#13
mcaa666 Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 58 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Thnx for all the feedback so far. I've go lots of reference material now but what i need now are some photo's showing the rudder and prop section (this will be hard to find i know because most of the photographed boats are in the water) but if anyone can find any or has any they would be most welcome. Regarding importing/exporting into .dat files, i guess i will have to wait for that option to come to S3D, but in the meanwhile i will start on the 3D model soon. During that time it is my intention to post screenshots of the model as it develops. Stay tuned ....more to follow once i'm settled in my new house around the first of april. Cheers...