The Death Penalty (Merged) - Page 2

Letum · 02-26-08, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Sounds like Orwellian double speak to me. Pols are supposed to represent their constitutents. When 9 out of 10 want something, unless it violates the constitution they should get it.

So you want a politician who just panders to what ever he thinks will give him power
and popularity instead of sticking to his principles and beliefs?

Does that kind of machiavellianism represent you well?

Platapus · 02-26-08, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Just curious. How does a representative government ban something that 90% of the population supports?

A representative owes his people not only his industry but his judgement and he betrays them if he sacrifices either to their opinion - Edmund Burke

That's why.

Seth8530 · 02-26-08, 09:44 PM

Dunno if this has been posted or not, but thier is a thread about the death penality, and this has got my intersist to see how many of yall sopport it or dissoport it.

August · 02-26-08, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

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Originally Posted by August

Just curious. How does a representative government ban something that 90% of the population supports?

A representative owes his people not only his industry but his judgement and he betrays them if he sacrifices either to their opinion - Edmund Burke

That's why.

So you're of the "Mommy Government knows best for her little chillen" camp, eh?

geetrue · 02-26-08, 09:58 PM

Yes, I think it is a way to keep people from killing more people ...

That fear sits somewhere in every person sub-consciously or consciously.

If the fear was removed they could all sit around laughing about what they did to
someone while playing cards and readin the newspaper in prisons.

You take a life ... you should lose your life.

Depedning on the circumstance of course.

bradclark1 · 02-26-08, 10:07 PM

A politician represents the people. At 90% public opinion for and he votes against then he is voicing his personal opinion on the matter and is not representing the people.

02-26-08, 10:08 PM

I say yes!

I also believe if it is used, they should really use it. Don't let these people sit on death row for years waiting.

I say as soon as the court find you guilty, take them and set them in the chair and give them the JUICE!

August · 02-26-08, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

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Originally Posted by August

Sounds like Orwellian double speak to me. Pols are supposed to represent their constitutents. When 9 out of 10 want something, unless it violates the constitution they should get it.

So you want a politician who just panders to what ever he thinks will give him power
and popularity instead of sticking to his principles and beliefs?

Does that kind of machiavellianism represent you well?

No I want a politician who does what the people who elected him want him to do. He's hired to do a job and if he wants to keep it he'd better keep his customers happy.

But you didn't answer my question so i'll ask it again: How does your theory stack up when the thing that the politician believes in is something racist or otherwise completely unpalatable? According to you that is something to be admired right?

August · 02-26-08, 10:13 PM

Personally i'm opposed to the DP.

First, it's too final and no court ever created by man is infallable.

Second, death lets the bastards off too easy. Put them in a cell without their cable TV or anything besides the most basic of amentities for the rest of their worthless lives. Now that's a just punishment.

bradclark1 · 02-26-08, 10:14 PM

I used to be for it but now I think it punishes more by keeping him in a 6X10 cell for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life. Thats a lot of time in a very small place to dwell on the reason he's in there.

Reece · 02-26-08, 10:20 PM

If you kill a person intentionally & it can be proved without a doubt then yes, the killer has ended a persons life so that person has lost rights to live.

However the person should be put to death as humanely as possable, it is not our right to inflict pain!

Bort · 02-26-08, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Personally i'm opposed to the DP.

First, it's too final and no court ever created by man is infallable.

Second, death lets the bastards off too easy. Put them in a cell without their cable TV or anything besides the most basic of amentities for the rest of their worthless lives. Now that's a just punishment.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

As someone from Illinois, having seen the mess my state was in with this issue before the Governor emptied death row, I honestly do not believe that the Death Penalty can be applied fairly. That is before the other deep arguments of morality and cruelty.

elite_hunter_sh3 · 02-26-08, 10:29 PM

even the smallest of crimes should result in death penalty...

death penalty will make people think twice before commiting a crime.. always remember you WILL get the electric chair

:rotfl:

seriously yes i support it.. too bad canada doesnt have it

Sailor Steve · 02-26-08, 10:54 PM

Yes, it has been discussed before. But still...

Yes, I support it. But still...

For proven serial killers like Ted Bundy, I have no compunctions at all. For the one-time murderer? Well, If the evidence is absolute...but then, is it ever? I think removing them from society is enough; but then there is always a parole, even if the verdict stipulates there not be.

For me it's too easy to argue both sides.

kiwi_2005 · 02-27-08, 02:13 AM

No, killing them is setting them free from their guilt. Let them rot in Jail for 50yrs. Go back to the days where they actually did break rocks all day and were fed crap food, prisons today are a holiday to most crims.

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02-26-08, 09:44 PM	#18
Seth8530 Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 546 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Do you sopprort the death penalty Dunno if this has been posted or not, but thier is a thread about the death penality, and this has got my intersist to see how many of yall sopport it or dissoport it. __________________

02-26-08, 09:58 PM	#20
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yes, I think it is a way to keep people from killing more people ... That fear sits somewhere in every person sub-consciously or consciously. If the fear was removed they could all sit around laughing about what they did to someone while playing cards and readin the newspaper in prisons. You take a life ... you should lose your life. Depedning on the circumstance of course. __________________

02-26-08, 10:07 PM	#21
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	A politician represents the people. At 90% public opinion for and he votes against then he is voicing his personal opinion on the matter and is not representing the people. __________________

02-26-08, 10:13 PM	#24
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,200 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Personally i'm opposed to the DP. First, it's too final and no court ever created by man is infallable. Second, death lets the bastards off too easy. Put them in a cell without their cable TV or anything besides the most basic of amentities for the rest of their worthless lives. Now that's a just punishment. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

02-26-08, 10:08 PM	#22
Urspankd Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I say yes! I also believe if it is used, they should really use it. Don't let these people sit on death row for years waiting. I say as soon as the court find you guilty, take them and set them in the chair and give them the JUICE!

02-26-08, 10:14 PM	#25
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I used to be for it but now I think it punishes more by keeping him in a 6X10 cell for 23 hours a day for the rest of his life. Thats a lot of time in a very small place to dwell on the reason he's in there. __________________

02-26-08, 10:20 PM	#26
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,718 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	If you kill a person intentionally & it can be proved without a doubt then yes, the killer has ended a persons life so that person has lost rights to live. However the person should be put to death as humanely as possable, it is not our right to inflict pain! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

02-26-08, 10:29 PM	#28
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	even the smallest of crimes should result in death penalty... death penalty will make people think twice before commiting a crime.. always remember you WILL get the electric chair :rotfl: seriously yes i support it.. too bad canada doesnt have it

02-26-08, 10:54 PM	#29
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Yes, it has been discussed before. But still... Yes, I support it. But still... For proven serial killers like Ted Bundy, I have no compunctions at all. For the one-time murderer? Well, If the evidence is absolute...but then, is it ever? I think removing them from society is enough; but then there is always a parole, even if the verdict stipulates there not be. For me it's too easy to argue both sides. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-27-08, 02:13 AM	#30
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	No, killing them is setting them free from their guilt. Let them rot in Jail for 50yrs. Go back to the days where they actually did break rocks all day and were fed crap food, prisons today are a holiday to most crims. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.