If I were Ubisoft I would...

Sonarman · 02-11-08, 07:12 AM

If You were deciding on the next in the SH series what would you do? (We all know the real answer is shut down the series cut the dev team to 5 personnel, develop a cute puppy dog game and make 10 times more money but let's assume Ubisoft is more "philanthropic to subsimmers" than that!)

Update... I've setup the same poll over at the Ubi forum, it will be interesting to see any variations between the two communities.

Update 2: Only 10% of viewers voting, Vote, vote, vote... remember the devs may be watching for your opinion on their next move!

Torplexed · 02-11-08, 07:27 AM

Well...I went with a Destroyer Command 2. I think reviving that franchise is everdue. If it could be developed for multi-player between subs and surface ships even better.

Maybe it's me, but it seems like there have been a lot of SH5 and what comes next threads lately. Makes me wonder if people are already bored with SH3 and 4.

Rockin Robbins · 02-11-08, 07:28 AM

Cash flow being the name of the game, what better strategy than to collect monthly cash from people who do not play a game! How do you do that? MMORPG, using automatic monthly credit or debit card charges!

Since it would be so different from the two versions already out, there would be no competition with SH4 or U-Boat Add-on. The resulting cash flow could finance all those other options I didn't vote for.

Hey, it's a business and the object of business is money. Wonder how many people who do not play Runescape continue to pay for months or years before they finally close the spigot? Free money ain't a bad deal.

Sonarman · 02-11-08, 07:30 AM

I went for DC2 as well as I don't think the original game really gave the concept a good run. Imagine DC2 with the massive improvements in graphics and gameplay that SH3 had over SH2 it could be awesome.

DrBeast · 02-11-08, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

Makes me wonder if people are already bored with SH3 and 4.

Greek genes, maybe? Most of my fellow countrymen have the attention spam of a...oooh! shiny!

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Sonarman · 02-11-08, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Cash flow being the name of the game, what better strategy than to collect monthly cash from people

Yes I think that's a great idea and helps to make up for the niche nature (ie small return) of the series. As long as they don't charge as much as POTBS ($14.99 a month) . If they pitched it right say $5-6 dollars a month I think it would be a winner as it's massively different from all of the other MMORPGs out there and at a low price would perhaps tempt gamers who had tired of their "sword and sandals" adventures.

It' probably the riskiest strategy of those listed as it would require heavy investment and a large team and online sales not guaranteed, but with four years of development in the series to base it on they have a good headstart. Plus and it's a big plus all of the monthly fees would go direct to Ubisoft not to retailers or distributors. They'd probably make as much on two montly subs as they do in selling a full price game through retail. It would also give us constant updates and improvements.

MMORPG hell.... MMONWS (Massively Multiplayer Online Naval Warfare Simulation) that's more like it.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 02-11-08, 08:29 AM

Make another expansion of SH4. This can only get better!

swdw · 02-11-08, 08:35 AM

You left out the one expansion possibility that no WW2 subsim has touched. British and Dutch boats in the Pacific and Med.

Sonarman · 02-11-08, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

Make another expansion of SH4. This can only get better!

The new dynamic loading system (introduced in 1.4) for ships could be extended to ports as well? This would allow the devs to give us much less generic ports and harbours based on real world locales as they appeared in the forties, vastly enhancing the atmosphere of the sim. This would probably be a good choice for Ubi as an addon as it would require only a small team focussed mainly on simple environment modelling with little programming involved. If they sold this as DLC (downloadable content) they could keep all the profit rather than paying the food chain of distribution & retailing (even better they could sell it exclusively through Subsim and give Neal a small percentage).

Sonarman · 02-11-08, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by swdw

You left out the one expansion possibility that no WW2 subsim has touched. British and Dutch boats in the Pacific and Med.

Oops you are right I should of remembered that as I am British and my wife is Dutch! That would make a great addon particularly as SH enjoys strong sales in Europe.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 02-11-08, 08:42 AM

Good idea Sonarman. They need some improvements in the sim as well especially with the wind relative to objects. All this and other corrections can be incorporated in a new expansion. I always thought it strange that events surrounding the air attack on Cavite on Dec. 20, 1941 was left out.

Sonarman · 02-11-08, 08:44 AM

I also should have had an option to model just one sub in the game eg Gato or Type 7 but with everyting modelled from bow to stern i.e. more of a "study sim", with more in depth control as an option such as engine management, torpedo loading, provisioning etc

Sonarman · 02-11-08, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DavyJonesFootlocker

Good idea Sonarman. They need some improvements in the sim as well especially with the wind relative

That would be great, enhanced physics for the ships based on current wind direction, carriers having to turn into the wind to launch aircraft, along perhaps with more emphasis on the moonlight's effects on destroyer tactics vs sub positioning etc hopefully some/all of these things will make their way into the next evolution of the series.

tomoose · 02-11-08, 09:14 AM

I'm all for the Destroyer Command concept allowing for online play between a human controlled sub and a human controlled destroyer (that would have been fantastic for SH3).

Personally, I'd settle for any game that arrives after being tested up the hoop and is a finished, quality product vice a beta being palmed off as the finished item!! Let the devs do their job!!!

Rockin Robbins · 02-11-08, 09:16 AM

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View Poll Results: If I was Ubisoft the next thing I would do would be...
Make another expansion to SH4 this time with Japanese subs + Japanese strategic control	11	8.59%
Make another expansion this time with less generic ports and harbours	2	1.56%
Make a sequel to Destroyer Command with small fleet actions eg Convoy Commander	29	22.66%
Make a larger WWII fleet action sim ala "Task Force 1942"	21	16.41%
Make a World war 1 subsim	4	3.13%
Make a Cold war subsim 1950s- 1960's era	5	3.91%
Make a Cold war subsim 1980s- 1990's era	10	7.81%
Make an MMORPG with ships subs & aircraft to control	12	9.38%
Make SH5 an Atlantic subsim with "local wolfpack control	20	15.63%
other, please list.	14	10.94%
Voters: 128. You may not vote on this poll

02-11-08, 07:12 AM	#1
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	If I were Ubisoft I would... If You were deciding on the next in the SH series what would you do? (We all know the real answer is shut down the series cut the dev team to 5 personnel, develop a cute puppy dog game and make 10 times more money but let's assume Ubisoft is more "philanthropic to subsimmers" than that!) Update... I've setup the same poll over at the Ubi forum, it will be interesting to see any variations between the two communities. Update 2: Only 10% of viewers voting, Vote, vote, vote... remember the devs may be watching for your opinion on their next move! __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software. Last edited by Sonarman; 02-11-08 at 02:03 PM.

02-11-08, 07:27 AM	#2
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Well...I went with a Destroyer Command 2. I think reviving that franchise is everdue. If it could be developed for multi-player between subs and surface ships even better. Maybe it's me, but it seems like there have been a lot of SH5 and what comes next threads lately. Makes me wonder if people are already bored with SH3 and 4. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

02-11-08, 07:28 AM	#3
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	OK, I'll bite Cash flow being the name of the game, what better strategy than to collect monthly cash from people who do not play a game! How do you do that? MMORPG, using automatic monthly credit or debit card charges! Since it would be so different from the two versions already out, there would be no competition with SH4 or U-Boat Add-on. The resulting cash flow could finance all those other options I didn't vote for. Hey, it's a business and the object of business is money. Wonder how many people who do not play Runescape continue to pay for months or years before they finally close the spigot? Free money ain't a bad deal. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

02-11-08, 07:30 AM	#4
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	I went for DC2 as well as I don't think the original game really gave the concept a good run. Imagine DC2 with the massive improvements in graphics and gameplay that SH3 had over SH2 it could be awesome. __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.

02-11-08, 08:29 AM	#7
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Make another expansion of SH4. This can only get better! __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

02-11-08, 08:35 AM	#8
swdw Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 921 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	You left out the one expansion possibility that no WW2 subsim has touched. British and Dutch boats in the Pacific and Med. __________________ "There are only two types of ships- submarines...... and targets" Unknown "you wouldn't catch me on a ship that deliberately sinks itself"- comment to me from a surface sailor. System: AMD 6300 3.5 GHz \| 32GB DDR3 \| SATA 300 320GB HD, SATA III 1TB HD, SATA III 1.TB HD \| ASUS Sonar DS sound card NVIDIA 1660 Super OC \| Windows 10

02-11-08, 08:42 AM	#11
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Good idea Sonarman. They need some improvements in the sim as well especially with the wind relative to objects. All this and other corrections can be incorporated in a new expansion. I always thought it strange that events surrounding the air attack on Cavite on Dec. 20, 1941 was left out. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

02-11-08, 08:44 AM	#12
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	I also should have had an option to model just one sub in the game eg Gato or Type 7 but with everyting modelled from bow to stern i.e. more of a "study sim", with more in depth control as an option such as engine management, torpedo loading, provisioning etc __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software. Last edited by Sonarman; 02-11-08 at 08:55 AM.

02-11-08, 09:14 AM	#14
tomoose Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 930 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Erm, how about a finished, polished product! I'm all for the Destroyer Command concept allowing for online play between a human controlled sub and a human controlled destroyer (that would have been fantastic for SH3). Personally, I'd settle for any game that arrives after being tested up the hoop and is a finished, quality product vice a beta being palmed off as the finished item!! Let the devs do their job!!!