Worlds deadliest shotgun

[Rotary Crewman]

Almost as deadly as this sniper rifle. If you hit the target, the round comes back to you!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=laSRfJ8WgwQ

[jumpy]

^

twat! "No more iron"
What were they doing? Shooting at a flat iron plate at a couple of hundred yards?
Fools.

These ranges are more like it:
http://www.fcsa.co.uk/images/radnor/...-distances.JPG
http://www.fcsa.co.uk/images/radnor/...gets1000y1.JPG

From the (would you believe it?) '50. Cal Shooters Association UK'. When I first saw the site I was amazed that our government would allow peeps to play with such monsters. Unlike you guys in america, we generally don't have the luxury of being able to play with some of the firearms 'toys' you enjoy.

[seafarer]

The downside to a rotary magazine full-auto shotgun (for military use anyway), IMO, is the magazine itself though. It's freakin' huge, and looks like it takes a fair bit of time to reload. It's way too bulky to drape a bunch of pre-loaded spare magazines over your body, so your left with using bandoliers or some such, and having to stop and re-fill the magazine after your 20 or 32 rounds are spent. Not a weapon I'd want to be carrying into a firefight.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by seafarer

The downside to a rotary magazine full-auto shotgun (for military use anyway), IMO, is the magazine itself though. It's freakin' huge, and looks like it takes a fair bit of time to reload. It's way too bulky to drape a bunch of pre-loaded spare magazines over your body, so your left with using bandoliers or some such, and having to stop and re-fill the magazine after your 20 or 32 rounds are spent. Not a weapon I'd want to be carrying into a firefight.

Good point. I would use both...have a standard 12 guage drapped on my shoulder with rounds on my hip for when the big guy ran out of ammo.

How about they redesign it and make it a belt fed AA-12!

[Ishmael]

Originally Posted by sonar732

Leave it to Ishmael to come up with countermeasures to our weapons.

But it's not one of "our" weapns. It was designed for and used by a private mercenary organization with no ties nor alliegance to either Constitution or government. They'll use them for whoever pays them the most money against the "Inevitable Consequence of Progress" of people unable to resist.

[JSLTIGER]

Originally Posted by sonar732

Good point. I would use both...have a standard 12 guage drapped on my shoulder with rounds on my hip for when the big guy ran out of ammo.

There is an eight round box option though...

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

But it's not one of "our" weapns. It was designed for and used by a private mercenary organization with no ties nor alliegance to either Constitution or government. They'll use them for whoever pays them the most money against the "Inevitable Consequence of Progress" of people unable to resist.

You and your left-wing spin crack me up...you obviously have such issues with the contracting companies in Iraq that you can't see the history of the AA 12. The history of this weapon is plainly before Iraq...wait...you'll state that in 1972, we had an interest in giving this weapon plans to our contractors knowing that in the 35 years we'll be in Iraq. They spent another 18 years refinning the weapon.

Originally Posted by military.com

Beyond our military are elements of Homeland Security that have expressed great interest in the AA-12, such as or the guarding of our nuclear facilities. Foreign governments who are allies of the U.S., such as the Philippines, are also very interested, but in addition to them the AA-12 will be available only to the military and agencies of our Federal Government.

Defense Review Article with so many video links you can't shake a stick at...not to mention the continued interest by the US Marine Corps!


It's all a conspiracy!!!!!!

[STEED]

Now that is a gun I can use when my country breaks down.

[Ishmael]

The weapon I was referring to was the BW APC. But the key question is whether one of those would stop in inbound cruise "model rocket". Besides, if it does get so desperate that I have to give up my vow of non-violence, my target won't be the security contractors but the homes of their bosses and employers.

[sonar732]

Originally Posted by Ishmael

The weapon I was referring to was the BW APC.

Really?

Originally Posted by Ishmael

I saw this and the ones they had mounted on the top of the BW APC. My first thought on countermeasures were the following:

1 or 2 RPG rounds to take out the shotgun mount and EFPs mounted at 45 degree angles to hit the sloped sides at a perpendicular angle.

Now...we are talking about the AA-12, you follow up with the above quote. The statement regarding the BW APC immediately follows the "I saw this and the ones they had mounted..."

Originally Posted by Ishmael

But the key question is whether one of those would stop in inbound cruise "model rocket".

The key question is how the AA-12 will help our Marines fighting in close urban combat...NOT if the Blackwater APC will stop an inbound rocket!

[silentrunner]

Originally Posted by Rotary Crewman

Almost as deadly as this sniper rifle. If you hit the target, the round comes back to you!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=laSRfJ8WgwQ

That kinda reminds me of these neigbors I used to have they were in a group called On Target for Christ. They killed deer and gave to the hungary. Except most of the time they didn't hunt they just fired military weapons they had aquired. The got fined one time for fireing a Browning 30 cal. machine gun in one of the guys back yards.

[JSLTIGER]

That video of the sniper rifle is SICK!!!!

[Boris]

Sad

[Yahoshua]

Originally Posted by sonar732

Which, in turn, leads to more accurate shots.

Faster follow-up shots means more rounds into the targets' direction in a shorter time span, not more accuracy.

If I fired a rifle or shotgun that had no recoil whatsoever, I can still flinch or have a hard time aiming the weapon because of weight and/or fatigue from carrying it around. Also, accuracy depends equally on both the shooters' ability to handle the firearm and the firearms' designed accuracy.

An example would be the Remington 870 and a Browning Citori. Both shotguns are capable of perfect accuracy in trap shooting, but their effectiveness depends on the type of ammunition being fired and the ability of the handlers' use of the firearm.