Is the AI cheating? - Page 2

howler93 · 02-01-08, 02:04 PM

Really? Escorts can hear tube doors opening? I assume that would be the case in RL, but if that's modeled into SH4 that's pretty cool.

SteamWake · 02-01-08, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Taurolas

I've never had escorts head directly at me yet but then again i dont use TC either, on a side note however how many peeps get into good firing positions and then go and open the torpedo tube doors when well within passive sonar range? i know it seems like i'm gettin ya to suck eggs but make sure you open the torpedo tubes before you get within range, i tend to do this on all tubes, dont want to take the chance that passive sonar is gonna pick up the doors opening... if you can hear it they can hear it.

Hrm... I though that once you changed tubes the doors closed behind you. In other words it is not possible to open all doors.

Snuffy · 02-01-08, 02:37 PM

TC would be the culprit.

I've always found the sensors to be more ... umm ... well .. sensitive at higher TC ... always remain in 1:1 TC when close to enemy.

exponent8246 · 02-01-08, 03:05 PM

Dont mean to insult your intelligence here but have you checked the difficulty settings (via the clickable radio pic on the far left of the war room screen)??

I have found that although I set my difficulty up on the main menu, it reverts to a pre-set difficulty setting once a new career has been enabled!!

Found this to my cost on my first campagn mission!!!!:rotfl:

Its just that the most simplest solution is the one that is overlooked all the time!!

Nightmare · 02-01-08, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Hrm... I though that once you changed tubes the doors closed behind you. In other words it is not possible to open all doors.

I think they fixed it back in 1.3. You are able to select a tube, open the door, select the next tube, open the door, etc. I've have all 6 tubes open and ready using this method.

Quillan · 02-01-08, 03:59 PM

Howler, from past experience, I'll use up to about 32x time compression to evade once I'm beyond about 4-6k yards from the escorts if I'm submerged, which is also about the point where I get comfortable turning off Run Silent. Surfaced, I don't use it unless I am out of sight of them totally. Using TC closer than about 4k yards, or using higher TC anyplace within sonar range, is almost a guaranteed detection. I cranked it to 128x once when I was 10k yards away from a convoy moving away from me and one of the escorts turned towards me and went to max speed within seconds.

I keep a book near my computer when I'm playing, and anytime I get to where I can't use time compression I just start reading while letting time pass normally.

ruskoz · 02-02-08, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by exponent8246

Dont mean to insult your intelligence here but have you checked the difficulty settings (via the clickable radio pic on the far left of the war room screen)??

I have found that although I set my difficulty up on the main menu, it reverts to a pre-set difficulty setting once a new career has been enabled!!

Found this to my cost on my first campagn mission!!!!:rotfl:

Its just that the most simplest solution is the one that is overlooked all the time!!

Dude...thx

That was the issue...what ever skill level it was stuck on is what I would call the big brawny mans level. I would have a hard time believing anyone plays it at that level with any success.

Elder-Pirate · 02-02-08, 05:30 PM

Unless somewhere in the SH4 settings that may be changed ALL torpedo tube doors close automatically by default after a torpedo is fired in approx 1 second real time.

Nightmare if your running 1.4 then you can not keep all six doors open at one time in the bow nor the four aft. Unless you have changed it in the SH4 settings ( if thats possible ? ).

What they did in 1.3 was fix the door so they would close as that some were not closing and flooded tubes were not letting new torpedoes to be slid into said tubes.

People were complaining about not being able to load torps and I was one of them.

You can set looking right at a DD and hit that Q key all you want and that DD will never hear it, at least in the Sim/Game of SH4. Although he may charge you like a bull it wasn't the torp doors that ticked him off.

Mush Martin · 02-02-08, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Run silent, run deep

RDP

Run Surfaced Run em down Run up our colours Run out the guns
Run Rampant Play Wagner and Kick A$$.

Schmuck

ReallyDedPoet · 02-02-08, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mush Martin

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

Run silent, run deep

RDP

Run Surfaced Run em down Run up our colours Run out the guns
Run Rampant Play Wagner and Kick A$$.

Schmuck

Bah!!

RDP

howler93 · 02-04-08, 03:09 PM

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Howler, from past experience, I'll use up to about 32x time compression to evade once I'm beyond about 4-6k yards from the escorts if I'm submerged, which is also about the point where I get comfortable turning off Run Silent. Surfaced, I don't use it unless I am out of sight of them totally. Using TC closer than about 4k yards, or using higher TC anyplace within sonar range, is almost a guaranteed detection.

Quillan, thanks for the advice...I think your tip about having a book handy is good also!

Much oblidged,
Howler

Taurolas · 02-05-08, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate

Unless somewhere in the SH4 settings that may be changed ALL torpedo tube doors close automatically by default after a torpedo is fired in approx 1 second real time.

Nightmare if your running 1.4 then you can not keep all six doors open at one time in the bow nor the four aft. Unless you have changed it in the SH4 settings ( if thats possible ? ).

What they did in 1.3 was fix the door so they would close as that some were not closing and flooded tubes were not letting new torpedoes to be slid into said tubes.

People were complaining about not being able to load torps and I was one of them.

You can set looking right at a DD and hit that Q key all you want and that DD will never hear it, at least in the Sim/Game of SH4. Although he may charge you like a bull it wasn't the torp doors that ticked him off.

E-P.. i run with all torp doors open for and aft all 10 (i run 1.4 TM 1.7.6 RSRDC and NSM4) if i'm going in for an attack on a main convoy. From past experience i've opened torp doors when within range of a DD (previously i'd been absolutely silent for hours waiting the approaching ships at dusk) and hes immediately gone active on sonar and pinging like hell and this has happened more than once, my only conclusion is that he did hear the torpedo doors opening, well its either that or i was damn unlucky!.

Elder-Pirate · 02-05-08, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Taurolas

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Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate

Unless somewhere in the SH4 settings that may be changed ALL torpedo tube doors close automatically by default after a torpedo is fired in approx 1 second real time.

Nightmare if your running 1.4 then you can not keep all six doors open at one time in the bow nor the four aft. Unless you have changed it in the SH4 settings ( if thats possible ? ).

What they did in 1.3 was fix the door so they would close as that some were not closing and flooded tubes were not letting new torpedoes to be slid into said tubes.

People were complaining about not being able to load torps and I was one of them.

You can set looking right at a DD and hit that Q key all you want and that DD will never hear it, at least in the Sim/Game of SH4. Although he may charge you like a bull it wasn't the torp doors that ticked him off.

E-P.. i run with all torp doors open for and aft all 10 (i run 1.4 TM 1.7.6 RSRDC and NSM4) if I'm going in for an attack on a main convoy. From past experience I've opened torp doors when within range of a DD (previously I'd been absolutely silent for hours waiting the approaching ships at dusk) and hes immediately gone active on sonar and pinging like hell and this has happened more than once, my only conclusion is that he did hear the torpedo doors opening, well its either that or i was damn unlucky!.

You are running a Mod, I was referring to stock 1.4 ( I think you knew that ).
OK after Googling I come up with an SH4 thread on how it is done for vanilla, although I do not believe this practice was done in real life ( WW2 ) because if all forward doors were open and flooded the ballast of the sub would be off and you would turn bow down toward Davey Jones Locker. I can't find on Google if they actually did this in real life so I need a little help here.

Here's the threads link. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=111616

Post #31 by pv is IMHO the best for stock 1.4.

P.S. About 30 minutes ago I ran a test with a DD ( a Shiratsuyu I think ). I caught him napping and snuck up on him stopping at 1200 yards. At P depth with scope lowered ( watched with outside camera ) I clicked on the "Q" key repeadily and after about five minutes he put it into high gear away from me, so no they do not hear you in the game. Maybe in real life? Also with my being still, in silent running and scope down I didn't give him an excuse. I'll try again sometime but I am pretty sure their ears are deaf to tube doors.

Elder-Pirate · 02-05-08, 07:09 PM

OK I'm wrong and I apologize. I tried it the hard way ( 1.4 default ) using the "W" key then "Q" but not firing and I got this pic.

All six doors are open. (

)

Until the thread I posted in my above post I did not think that worked. Your way using the mod and pv's way do a lot better. I've just fired single shots before carefully timing them. I still like it better that way.......well I'm used to doing it that way.

Dantenoc · 02-18-08, 02:55 PM

Can anybody else confirm that the AI cheats when on time compression?

I use some time compression (usualy 4x) when maneuvering for a shot, and the DD's allways seem to head straight for me

. Even so, is it really true that you can't use any time compression at all or else the AI will cheat? Seems like something that would turn off a lot of people on the game, since maneuvering for a good ambush position can sometimes take many hours in game... don't think too many people would be willing to invest that kind of time, no?

02-01-08, 02:37 PM	#18
Snuffy XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 420 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	TC would be the culprit. I've always found the sensors to be more ... umm ... well .. sensitive at higher TC ... always remain in 1:1 TC when close to enemy. __________________ ----------------- Snuffy!

02-01-08, 03:59 PM	#21
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Howler, from past experience, I'll use up to about 32x time compression to evade once I'm beyond about 4-6k yards from the escorts if I'm submerged, which is also about the point where I get comfortable turning off Run Silent. Surfaced, I don't use it unless I am out of sight of them totally. Using TC closer than about 4k yards, or using higher TC anyplace within sonar range, is almost a guaranteed detection. I cranked it to 128x once when I was 10k yards away from a convoy moving away from me and one of the escorts turned towards me and went to max speed within seconds. I keep a book near my computer when I'm playing, and anytime I get to where I can't use time compression I just start reading while letting time pass normally. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

02-02-08, 05:30 PM	#23
Elder-Pirate Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Morris, Illinois USA Posts: 1,090 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	As of 1.4 all torp doors automatically close after torp fired. Unless somewhere in the SH4 settings that may be changed ALL torpedo tube doors close automatically by default after a torpedo is fired in approx 1 second real time. Nightmare if your running 1.4 then you can not keep all six doors open at one time in the bow nor the four aft. Unless you have changed it in the SH4 settings ( if thats possible ? ). What they did in 1.3 was fix the door so they would close as that some were not closing and flooded tubes were not letting new torpedoes to be slid into said tubes. People were complaining about not being able to load torps and I was one of them. You can set looking right at a DD and hit that Q key all you want and that DD will never hear it, at least in the Sim/Game of SH4. Although he may charge you like a bull it wasn't the torp doors that ticked him off. __________________

02-05-08, 07:09 PM	#29
Elder-Pirate Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Morris, Illinois USA Posts: 1,090 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	OK I'm wrong and I apologize. I tried it the hard way ( 1.4 default ) using the "W" key then "Q" but not firing and I got this pic. All six doors are open. ( ) Until the thread I posted in my above post I did not think that worked. Your way using the mod and pv's way do a lot better. I've just fired single shots before carefully timing them. I still like it better that way.......well I'm used to doing it that way. __________________

02-18-08, 02:55 PM	#30
Dantenoc Captain Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ensenada, B.C., Mexico Posts: 504 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Can anybody else confirm that the AI cheats when on time compression? I use some time compression (usualy 4x) when maneuvering for a shot, and the DD's allways seem to head straight for me . Even so, is it really true that you can't use any time compression at all or else the AI will cheat? Seems like something that would turn off a lot of people on the game, since maneuvering for a good ambush position can sometimes take many hours in game... don't think too many people would be willing to invest that kind of time, no? __________________ Going to U-boot school : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88922 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=90234 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88961 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97682

02-01-08, 02:04 PM	#16
howler93 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Telluride, Colorado Posts: 162 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Really? Escorts can hear tube doors opening? I assume that would be the case in RL, but if that's modeled into SH4 that's pretty cool.

02-01-08, 03:05 PM	#19
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Dont mean to insult your intelligence here but have you checked the difficulty settings (via the clickable radio pic on the far left of the war room screen)?? I have found that although I set my difficulty up on the main menu, it reverts to a pre-set difficulty setting once a new career has been enabled!! Found this to my cost on my first campagn mission!!!!:rotfl: Its just that the most simplest solution is the one that is overlooked all the time!!