Pacific Storm: Allies - Page 2

Galanti · 01-29-08, 11:13 AM

Timetraveller, maybe you could answer a couple of questions I can't find on the boards.

What are the ship sinking times like, ie is it like BM where they go down rapidly as soon as I suppose their hitpoints are exhausted?

What is sub combat like in a strategic and tactical sense? My concern is that the game can't really model the element of the surprise if the human player is ambushed on the high seas, as if there are no surface / air contacts about then you as the player will immediately know it's a submarine.

Can subs be used in the strategic sense to interdict sea lanes and strangle the AI by cutting supply routes?

Galanti · 01-29-08, 02:53 PM

Here's a thread to some fairly recent PS:A screenshots:

http://www.pacificstorm.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2103

timetraveller · 01-29-08, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galanti

Timetraveller, maybe you could answer a couple of questions I can't find on the boards.

What are the ship sinking times like, ie is it like BM where they go down rapidly as soon as I suppose their hitpoints are exhausted?

Sinking times seem to be better (longer) than BSM, and somewhat more realistic....nothing like in SH4 though. I find SH4 to be very realistic. I pounded away at a heavy cruiser for 30 minutes one time and it was just starting to roll over after that. It should be possible to alter the hit point files and increase the sinking time for PSA, though it might be tedious work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galanti

What is sub combat like in a strategic and tactical sense? My concern is that the game can't really model the element of the surprise if the human player is ambushed on the high seas, as if there are no surface / air contacts about then you as the player will immediately know it's a submarine.

Wow, I'm not really the best person to answer this one. KiloAlpha4 over at the www.pacificstorm.net forums could easily answer this one. I have spent all my time programming for this game and hardly any time with sub combat. In any event, don't expect too much with the sub effort in this game. It is no SH4 for sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galanti

Can subs be used in the strategic sense to interdict sea lanes and strangle the AI by cutting supply routes?

In the strategic part, I don't know. KiloAlpha4 would have a better answer for this one too. Tactically, in the 3D action part of the game, subs will indeed interfere.

Sorry to appear such a dunce....unfortunately, I am one of these guys who buys a game and tears it apart trying to figure out how it works and can be modded. hehe

Hope this helps some anyway.

TT

timetraveller · 01-29-08, 03:00 PM

PSA Missions

Just F.Y.I. If anybody wants my 3rd party mission editor for this game (PSA), you can get it here:

http://timetraveller.byethost13.com/

This editor has been a huge effort over the last 18 months and I estimate I have more than 1000 hours in it.

Some details:

PSA Missions is a 2D graphical mission editor/creator for Pacific Storm Allies. It can create complicated missions using all unit combinations for the game. Unit AI pathing can be drawn or specified, carrier air groups created, map points, and much more. It also has its own scripting engine which will allow you to code detailed mission commands, generating the Lesta game scripting code for you.

CHANGES WITH ALLIES
Much of PSA Missions has been rewritten and a lot of code clean up has been done. All new units in Allies are available in the editor. Maps up to 200km square may be built. Camera and AI pathing leg nodes can now be moved at each individual node for fine-tuning. A new Formation Builder window will allow you to easily make unit formations. A new Environment Editor window will allow you to create your own ocean and sky environments. A new Data Converter window will allow you to calculate map distances and transit times, and show you actual gun ranges in meters. A new File Explorer window will allow you to examine .XML-like game files for variables, and will also unpack compressed game files (attribute convert) in a window interface. Finally, the mission editor scripting package had been entirely rewritten and greatly expanded, using a new table driven command system allowing you to write your own command macros.

TT

Designing the Battle of Savo Island (Guadalcanal), August 9, 1942

The Bandit · 02-05-08, 04:02 AM

Well this sure takes me back. I still have the origional PTO for the SNES. I remember having the first pacific storm in my HAND, reading the back of it, and not liking the talk about 1948 BIO weapons and missiles, and getting Battlestations Midway instead. Looks like I made the wrong decision. Rightnow I am considering getting PSA from EBGames in the states for $55+ duty. Noone has it up here yet and I really liked the Demo. Hopefully we can get some mods on the go,m would love to get some old 4 pipers and Sboats on the go, fight the early battles in the west pacific, that was my favourite period in SH4. Hope this game really takes off.

Galanti · 02-05-08, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bandit

Well this sure takes me back. I still have the origional PTO for the SNES. I remember having the first pacific storm in my HAND, reading the back of it, and not liking the talk about 1948 BIO weapons and missiles, and getting Battlestations Midway instead. Looks like I made the wrong decision. Rightnow I am considering getting PSA from EBGames in the states for $55+ duty. Noone has it up here yet and I really liked the Demo. Hopefully we can get some mods on the go,m would love to get some old 4 pipers and Sboats on the go, fight the early battles in the west pacific, that was my favourite period in SH4. Hope this game really takes off.

Don't know where in Canda you're at, but EBGames in Ottawa is getting afew copies in tomorrow.

I'd love to see enough interest build to see a larger community of modders spring up and expand the ship and planeset. Most of the modding work is being done right now by this KiloAlpha guy, hopefully with the NA release he can get some company.

Apeboy · 02-05-08, 02:52 PM

I'm gonna wait a while before picking this up, if I buy it at all. I got the original which for the most part was just thrown together. Historical campaign was so out of whack it wasn't funny. Dozens of CVs in one fleet for the US in 1939 is one of the best examples. Another is Japan declared war on me in Guam with 2 cruisers. By default I had something like 23 CVs, 14 BBs and countless other units.

Noticed on te official boards a complaint the many major bases weren't even availiable in PSA historical campaign this go around, Brisbane, Syndney etc etc. Hopefully they will sort this out. I'm all for some mods to fine tune some things or give some options but without decent foundation it's not worth the hassle.

PS and PSA is one of those games that could be outstanding but it really needs a good, polished campaign to work with.

The Bandit · 02-07-08, 06:14 PM

yeah my prolem is that EBgames.ca is garbage. Go there yourself and look at their PC GAMES section.
http://www.ebgames.ca/pcgames/

I am either going to have to wait until someone in canada is carrying it so I can order online, or wait until hell freezes over and some place around here starts carrying it.

Hunter76 · 02-09-08, 11:43 PM

why not just hit amazon for it? I just got my copy yesterday from them

The Bandit · 02-10-08, 08:20 PM

http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/...0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

thats why, and Amazon.com dosn't ship to canada. Really starting to think about EBGames.com but its $55.

nikimcbee · 02-24-08, 10:14 AM

I still can't find my original disk, it's driving me crazy.

Doomgiver · 03-03-08, 12:31 PM

does PSA require PS to install or is it a seperate game and sorry for the noob question and i prefer Warship Gunner 2 over Naval Ops just because it has a better system my super battle carrier can destroyer anything with its 2 80 cm guns and a wave gun

Raptor1 · 03-03-08, 12:34 PM

You don't need PS to install PSA :p

Laffertytig · 03-06-08, 12:47 PM

so how are people here finding the game now that the patch is out? are there any must have mods that people use?

and does anyone here play it online?

Doomgiver · 03-09-08, 09:26 AM

how do i land troops during a battle

01-29-08, 03:00 PM	#19
timetraveller Beach Leaf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlantic Shipping Lanes Posts: 287 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	PSA Mission Editor PSA Missions Just F.Y.I. If anybody wants my 3rd party mission editor for this game (PSA), you can get it here: http://timetraveller.byethost13.com/ This editor has been a huge effort over the last 18 months and I estimate I have more than 1000 hours in it. Some details: PSA Missions is a 2D graphical mission editor/creator for Pacific Storm Allies. It can create complicated missions using all unit combinations for the game. Unit AI pathing can be drawn or specified, carrier air groups created, map points, and much more. It also has its own scripting engine which will allow you to code detailed mission commands, generating the Lesta game scripting code for you. CHANGES WITH ALLIES Much of PSA Missions has been rewritten and a lot of code clean up has been done. All new units in Allies are available in the editor. Maps up to 200km square may be built. Camera and AI pathing leg nodes can now be moved at each individual node for fine-tuning. A new Formation Builder window will allow you to easily make unit formations. A new Environment Editor window will allow you to create your own ocean and sky environments. A new Data Converter window will allow you to calculate map distances and transit times, and show you actual gun ranges in meters. A new File Explorer window will allow you to examine .XML-like game files for variables, and will also unpack compressed game files (attribute convert) in a window interface. Finally, the mission editor scripting package had been entirely rewritten and greatly expanded, using a new table driven command system allowing you to write your own command macros. TT Designing the Battle of Savo Island (Guadalcanal), August 9, 1942

02-05-08, 04:02 AM	#20
The Bandit Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 395 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 1	Well this sure takes me back. I still have the origional PTO for the SNES. I remember having the first pacific storm in my HAND, reading the back of it, and not liking the talk about 1948 BIO weapons and missiles, and getting Battlestations Midway instead. Looks like I made the wrong decision. Rightnow I am considering getting PSA from EBGames in the states for $55+ duty. Noone has it up here yet and I really liked the Demo. Hopefully we can get some mods on the go,m would love to get some old 4 pipers and Sboats on the go, fight the early battles in the west pacific, that was my favourite period in SH4. Hope this game really takes off. __________________

02-07-08, 06:14 PM	#23
The Bandit Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 395 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 1	yeah my prolem is that EBgames.ca is garbage. Go there yourself and look at their PC GAMES section. http://www.ebgames.ca/pcgames/ I am either going to have to wait until someone in canada is carrying it so I can order online, or wait until hell freezes over and some place around here starts carrying it. __________________

02-09-08, 11:43 PM	#24
Hunter76 Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 8 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	why not just hit amazon for it? I just got my copy yesterday from them __________________

02-10-08, 08:20 PM	#25
The Bandit Sonar Guy Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 395 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 1	http://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/...0&Go.y=0&Go=Go thats why, and Amazon.com dosn't ship to canada. Really starting to think about EBGames.com but its $55. __________________

01-29-08, 11:13 AM	#16
Galanti Captain Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ottawa Posts: 536 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	Timetraveller, maybe you could answer a couple of questions I can't find on the boards. What are the ship sinking times like, ie is it like BM where they go down rapidly as soon as I suppose their hitpoints are exhausted? What is sub combat like in a strategic and tactical sense? My concern is that the game can't really model the element of the surprise if the human player is ambushed on the high seas, as if there are no surface / air contacts about then you as the player will immediately know it's a submarine. Can subs be used in the strategic sense to interdict sea lanes and strangle the AI by cutting supply routes?

01-29-08, 02:53 PM	#17
Galanti Captain Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ottawa Posts: 536 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	Here's a thread to some fairly recent PS:A screenshots: http://www.pacificstorm.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2103

02-05-08, 02:52 PM	#22
Apeboy Watch Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 25 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm gonna wait a while before picking this up, if I buy it at all. I got the original which for the most part was just thrown together. Historical campaign was so out of whack it wasn't funny. Dozens of CVs in one fleet for the US in 1939 is one of the best examples. Another is Japan declared war on me in Guam with 2 cruisers. By default I had something like 23 CVs, 14 BBs and countless other units. Noticed on te official boards a complaint the many major bases weren't even availiable in PSA historical campaign this go around, Brisbane, Syndney etc etc. Hopefully they will sort this out. I'm all for some mods to fine tune some things or give some options but without decent foundation it's not worth the hassle. PS and PSA is one of those games that could be outstanding but it really needs a good, polished campaign to work with.

02-24-08, 10:14 AM	#26
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I still can't find my original disk, it's driving me crazy. __________________

03-03-08, 12:31 PM	#27
Doomgiver Bosun Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 65 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	does PSA require PS to install or is it a seperate game and sorry for the noob question and i prefer Warship Gunner 2 over Naval Ops just because it has a better system my super battle carrier can destroyer anything with its 2 80 cm guns and a wave gun

03-03-08, 12:34 PM	#28
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	You don't need PS to install PSA :p __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

03-06-08, 12:47 PM	#29
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	so how are people here finding the game now that the patch is out? are there any must have mods that people use? and does anyone here play it online?

03-09-08, 09:26 AM	#30
Doomgiver Bosun Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 65 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	how do i land troops during a battle