Frustration at lack of damage

exponent8246 · 01-19-08, 02:34 PM

Hi all.

I currently have installed RSRDC phase II for RFB v241 with RFB 1.4 for ROW RC1 with various ROW mods for texture, lighting etc.

My gripe is, yet again, with the deck gun.
I totally crippled a Medium Modern Merchant, she was dead in the water, on fire badly and had sunk so that just the top of the main hull was visible.

I surfaced and began firing from around 1000 metres at the water-line (whilst taking fire from the merchants deck gun and flak guns).
I fired over 50 rounds with no effect what-so-ever, in the mean time, i took a good number of direct hits from her deck gun and flak cannons, i received no damage at all (no visible holes in the ship either).
*Note - This is a fresh campagn starting from the very first date that is available, i didnt think merchants were armed that early in the war?? or is that just the european theatre??*

I am very dissapointed with this, i have played stock with ROW for a while now and this problem does not occur at all!!

I know its rare for somebody to be dissapointed when you take a hit and dont get damaged but its not the point of the game is it. It takes the realism away which for me is the most important part of the sim.

Any comments out there??

ReallyDedPoet · 01-19-08, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by exponent8246

I am very dissapointed with this, i have played stock with ROW for a while now and this problem does not occur at all!!

I know its rare for somebody to be dissapointed when you take a hit and dont get damaged but its not the point of the game is it. It takes the realism away which for me is the most important part of the sim.

I'll let one of the RFB lads comment on this more, but your question relates to realism aspect in Real Fleet Boat, stock DGs are over powered , RFB tones them down to reflect the realities of a WWII Fleetboat.

A regular user of RFB I am sure will add more to this. Hope this helps. Just a tip, asking this in the RFB Thread, or having RFB in your thread title may attract a few more users of that mod.

RDP

exponent8246 · 01-19-08, 04:14 PM

Yeah, your advice helps a lot mate. (especially the Ab - RFB in the title)

I've done some research and maybe the stock DG is overpowered but to fire 50+ shells at a totally crippled freighter, and not even scratch the thing is madness.

I commented on receiving direct fire to my boat and sustaining NO damage at all. (either physically or visually which I liked to see in the previous version I was running)

Can you elaborate on this or is it just a bug maybe?

ReallyDedPoet · 01-19-08, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by exponent8246

Yeah, your advice helps a lot mate. (especially the Ab - RFB in the title)

I've done some research and maybe the stock DG is overpowered but to fire 50+ shells at a totally crippled freighter, and not even scratch the thing is madness.

I commented on receiving direct fire to my boat and sustaining NO damage at all. (either physically or visually which I liked to see in the previous version I was running)

Can you elaborate on this or is it just a bug maybe?

I am sure the DG could be modded to somewhere in between stock and RFB, would not be to difficult, however it is not likely one that would be done directly by a RFB Modder, due to its theme.

I sent this thread along to one of the more frequent RFB Players, they will be able to add more. I play Trigger Maru which aims to strike more of a balance between game play and realism.

RDP

exponent8246 · 01-19-08, 04:29 PM

OK.

I was going to try TM but it stressed (in the thread TM) that it was very realistic and although I have been playing SH2, SH3 and SH4 for a number of years now, I have never been able to break myself away from the ease of just selecting a target, setting the torp depth and speed and then just firing.

Basically, I have never used the TBC to manually fire a torp.

Maybe I should take the next step huh??

ReallyDedPoet · 01-19-08, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exponent8246

OK.

I was going to try TM but it stressed (in the thread TM) that it was very realistic and although I have been playing SH2, SH3 and SH4 for a number of years now, I have never been able to break myself away from the ease of just selecting a target, setting the torp depth and speed and then just firing.

Basically, I have never used the TBC to manually fire a torp.

Maybe I should take the next step huh??

There both good mods

If you ever want to try another one of the larger mods you could always do another install. I have about 4 on the go now

Once you go to manual targeting you won't want to go back, as frustrating as it can be, there is nothing like taking down a contact with MT

RDP

exponent8246 · 01-19-08, 04:45 PM

Which mod do you prefer?? Honestly!!

Which mods do you have installed to accompany TM and RSRDC????

How do you have so many copies?? I tried to install another copy and it told me I would have to uninstall my existing copy!!

Ducimus · 01-19-08, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by exponent8246

OK.

I was going to try TM but it stressed (in the thread TM) that it was very realistic

TM is a harder sub sim, not neccessarily very realistic.

Realistic, is subjective in definition i think. I define realistic as historically correct as the game will allow or is possible. TM is not 100% historically correct, but rather 75% to 80% historically correct. The other 20% to 25% is a little give and take for another subjective term called "gameplay". That said, i strive for historical accuracy when i can.

exponent8246 · 01-19-08, 05:09 PM

I take it you mean "harder" as in tactically engaging the enemy and setting up for a strike etc?? I think I will give TM a try. I just gotta make that next step thats all!!:rotfl:

I've just noticed a glich with RSRDC. When I am on the surface or at P-Depth with my scope up, The game slows when a number of ships are near but it doesnt revert back to real-time when a ship is spotted but it does when a sonar contact is spotted?

You ever noticed that??

Front Runner · 01-19-08, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exponent8246

OK.

I was going to try TM but it stressed (in the thread TM) that it was very realistic and although I have been playing SH2, SH3 and SH4 for a number of years now, I have never been able to break myself away from the ease of just selecting a target, setting the torp depth and speed and then just firing.

Basically, I have never used the TBC to manually fire a torp.

Maybe I should take the next step huh??

Yeah, you should try it.
Once you master the concepts of manual targeting, you will never go back to auto targeting!

There are several excellent tutorials on the forum to give you a step by step "how to" here...

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=118923

ReallyDedPoet · 01-19-08, 05:21 PM

Multiple installs are not that difficult to do. The first thing I did when I patched to SH4 1.4 was to copy and paste to Clean SH41-4 Folder I renamed in Program Files. I don't touch this install, it is for quick access to a clean set of files, comparing files, etc.

Now the same can be done with other installs, copy the Main Silent Hunter Folder and paste it into your newly named RFB Folder ( under Programs ). Add in JSGME so you can install mods, etc to that install. Mine are Career, Test, etc....

Also, there is a great little app. called Multi SH4, this will allow you to have separate save folders in My Documents, without using this app, your install saves will be difficult to keep track of. Do a search for this and you will find it.

I run Trigger, ROW, some sub skins, along with some of the radio mods. There is some other stuff as well, but those are the main ones. There is really no right or wrong, it is more due to personal preference.

There are many great mods with SH4, check out the 1.4 Compatible Thread, this is a nice site as well: http://www.downbelow.net/

RDP

exponent8246 · 01-19-08, 05:33 PM

Hi Front Runner.

Thanks for the info pal.

Ive just installed TM with ROW.

Gonna ease myself into it by doing some single patrols to get the hang of it.
Thanks for the tutorial link by the way.

Thanks to you too reallydeadpoet. You have been extremely helpful (never heard of down below) just had a quick browse, looks like good stuff.

Thanks again.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-19-08, 05:42 PM

Have fun

RDP

AVGWarhawk · 01-19-08, 07:01 PM

Looks like you got it sorted Exponent. Personally I hate cranking out 50+ rounds for nothing. But, there are so many variables for the cannon in RL that the game does not allow. We have to take into account aiming after loading. The sway of the submarine in a water environment. These two factors alone are not present with the stock cannon. So, what do we do against the super cannon with 200 rounds? It gets castrated a bit and longer load times. Really just set up for junks and sampans. These were the normal targets anyway. I rarely use the cannon if at all on most patrols. It is very much a secondary weapon for me.

exponent8246 · 01-20-08, 10:20 AM

Hi AVGWarkawk.

Yeah, ive sorted it now and got used to the fact that I no longer have a cannon that fires depleted uranium, which seems to be the case in the stock version.

I have now gone for TM with ROW with many ROW effects.

Lovin it so far. Like the campaign structure and the changes made.

Like the addition of the Narwhall class but havent tried it due to its sheer weight and size!! It cant be good for handling and speed!! (and TWO deck guns):rotfl: :rotfl:

Any extra (compatible) mods you can recommend mate?? (eye candy and sounds)??

01-19-08, 02:34 PM	#1
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Frustration at lack of damage Hi all. I currently have installed RSRDC phase II for RFB v241 with RFB 1.4 for ROW RC1 with various ROW mods for texture, lighting etc. My gripe is, yet again, with the deck gun. I totally crippled a Medium Modern Merchant, she was dead in the water, on fire badly and had sunk so that just the top of the main hull was visible. I surfaced and began firing from around 1000 metres at the water-line (whilst taking fire from the merchants deck gun and flak guns). I fired over 50 rounds with no effect what-so-ever, in the mean time, i took a good number of direct hits from her deck gun and flak cannons, i received no damage at all (no visible holes in the ship either). Note - This is a fresh campagn starting from the very first date that is available, i didnt think merchants were armed that early in the war?? or is that just the european theatre?? I am very dissapointed with this, i have played stock with ROW for a while now and this problem does not occur at all!! I know its rare for somebody to be dissapointed when you take a hit and dont get damaged but its not the point of the game is it. It takes the realism away which for me is the most important part of the sim. Any comments out there??

01-19-08, 04:14 PM	#3
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Lack of damage in RFB?? Yeah, your advice helps a lot mate. (especially the Ab - RFB in the title) I've done some research and maybe the stock DG is overpowered but to fire 50+ shells at a totally crippled freighter, and not even scratch the thing is madness. I commented on receiving direct fire to my boat and sustaining NO damage at all. (either physically or visually which I liked to see in the previous version I was running) Can you elaborate on this or is it just a bug maybe?

01-19-08, 05:21 PM	#11
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,888 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Multiple installs are not that difficult to do. The first thing I did when I patched to SH4 1.4 was to copy and paste to Clean SH41-4 Folder I renamed in Program Files. I don't touch this install, it is for quick access to a clean set of files, comparing files, etc. Now the same can be done with other installs, copy the Main Silent Hunter Folder and paste it into your newly named RFB Folder ( under Programs ). Add in JSGME so you can install mods, etc to that install. Mine are Career, Test, etc.... Also, there is a great little app. called Multi SH4, this will allow you to have separate save folders in My Documents, without using this app, your install saves will be difficult to keep track of. Do a search for this and you will find it. I run Trigger, ROW, some sub skins, along with some of the radio mods. There is some other stuff as well, but those are the main ones. There is really no right or wrong, it is more due to personal preference. There are many great mods with SH4, check out the 1.4 Compatible Thread, this is a nice site as well: http://www.downbelow.net/ RDP __________________ Back in the Day

01-19-08, 05:42 PM	#13
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,888 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Have fun RDP __________________ Back in the Day

01-19-08, 07:01 PM	#14
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,280 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Looks like you got it sorted Exponent. Personally I hate cranking out 50+ rounds for nothing. But, there are so many variables for the cannon in RL that the game does not allow. We have to take into account aiming after loading. The sway of the submarine in a water environment. These two factors alone are not present with the stock cannon. So, what do we do against the super cannon with 200 rounds? It gets castrated a bit and longer load times. Really just set up for junks and sampans. These were the normal targets anyway. I rarely use the cannon if at all on most patrols. It is very much a secondary weapon for me. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-19-08, 04:29 PM	#5
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	OK. I was going to try TM but it stressed (in the thread TM) that it was very realistic and although I have been playing SH2, SH3 and SH4 for a number of years now, I have never been able to break myself away from the ease of just selecting a target, setting the torp depth and speed and then just firing. Basically, I have never used the TBC to manually fire a torp. Maybe I should take the next step huh??

01-19-08, 04:45 PM	#7
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Which mod do you prefer?? Honestly!! Which mods do you have installed to accompany TM and RSRDC???? How do you have so many copies?? I tried to install another copy and it told me I would have to uninstall my existing copy!!

01-19-08, 05:09 PM	#9
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	I take it you mean "harder" as in tactically engaging the enemy and setting up for a strike etc?? I think I will give TM a try. I just gotta make that next step thats all!!:rotfl: I've just noticed a glich with RSRDC. When I am on the surface or at P-Depth with my scope up, The game slows when a number of ships are near but it doesnt revert back to real-time when a ship is spotted but it does when a sonar contact is spotted? You ever noticed that??

01-19-08, 05:33 PM	#12
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Hi Front Runner. Thanks for the info pal. Ive just installed TM with ROW. Gonna ease myself into it by doing some single patrols to get the hang of it. Thanks for the tutorial link by the way. Thanks to you too reallydeadpoet. You have been extremely helpful (never heard of down below) just had a quick browse, looks like good stuff. Thanks again.

01-20-08, 10:20 AM	#15
exponent8246 Sparky Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 153 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Hi AVGWarkawk. Yeah, ive sorted it now and got used to the fact that I no longer have a cannon that fires depleted uranium, which seems to be the case in the stock version. I have now gone for TM with ROW with many ROW effects. Lovin it so far. Like the campaign structure and the changes made. Like the addition of the Narwhall class but havent tried it due to its sheer weight and size!! It cant be good for handling and speed!! (and TWO deck guns):rotfl: :rotfl: Any extra (compatible) mods you can recommend mate?? (eye candy and sounds)??