Scientific paradigm shift towards Nazism?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

I used this site only because it linked in to several media groups carrying this ball. My opinion of you just dropped.

Damn! Look at the mess I've made!

[DeepIron]

Got the "multi-cultural, neo-racist blues? Just sing this little ditty from Monty Python:

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour,
That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned,
A sun that is the source of all our power.
The sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles a day
In an outer spiral arm, at forty thousand miles an hour,
Of the galaxy we call the 'Milky Way'.

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars.
It's a hundred thousand light years side to side.
It bulges in the middle, sixteen thousand light years thick,
But out by us, it's just three thousand light years wide.
We're thirty thousand light years from galactic central point.
We go 'round every two hundred million years,
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe.

The universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whizz
As fast as it can go, at the speed of light, you know,
Twelve million miles a minute, and that's the fastest speed there is.
So remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
How amazingly unlikely is your birth,
And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Works for me...

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

What i understand as multi culturalism when totally different cultures exist separately in one society. It doesnt work, and it doesnt have anything to do with racism.
So is Japan being pressured to take more imigrants and refugees?
Surely they will get some kind of embargo set on them?

Culture and race are two very diffrent things.

Culture is music, literature, food, music, tradition, religion, films, fashion, history, style etc.
Race is genetic.

British culture contains a multitude of other cultures.
I can have a curry, play a French (Ubi) PC game, watch an American film, drink a
German beer, wear my Norwigen jumper, and then read a (translated) French book.

You can do all these things in Japan too.
This is multiculturalism, it has been around for ever. How much more 'working' can you get?

England also discriminates against cultures in favor of it's inherited ones. English
history is taught in schools, it's harder get permission for a Mc.Donnalds or Chinese
in a historic village than it is for a English restaurant and money is given to British art
projects and to maintain buildings of cultural importance.

Cultural discrimination in favor of cultural inheritance is fine and works along side
multiculturalism.

Race is independent of culture.
The UN is concerned that Japan discriminates against race, not culture.
You could be totally infused with Japanese culture, but if your race if not Japanese,
you may still get discriminated against by a Japanese person who is totally infused
with your culture.

Certainly a irony.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I think that Neal should start marketing the official SubSim Tin Foil Hat.

[baggygreen]

Every analysis i've read of tolkiens work amounts to pretty much the opposite wave skipper - remembering that the time it was written the looming spectre of war in europe was present... they all say that it was written against nazism, not for it. Mordor being berlin, the all seeing eye being the spies and later on, collaborators who come out in every conflict....

for a neo nazi to come out and say this is pro-nazism, well their just showing their ignorance even more, imo.

[Torplexed]

Hitler borrowed the ancient swastika and borrowed heavily from pre-christian German imagery. If a bunch of modern losers decide to hijack some images for their own misguided ends theres not much one can do about it. Stupidity still isn't illegal. Doesn't mean the brownshirts are on the march.

Sounds like another case of reductio ad Hitlerum. Or as CCIP said: Godwin's Law.

By the way if Peter Jackson had cast a black person in LOTR there would have been the inevitable wave of criticism for casting a 'token' non-Tolkien character. The Samuel L. Jackson character in most recent Star Wars trilogy got a lot of heat as being the only black Jedi. Not to mention the criticism for what Jar Jar Binks accent sounded like. You can't win either way.

[Skybird]

In the documentation material for the first DVD box, Tolkiien is quoted by having said that in principle the Anglosaxons do not have their own typical mythology (the Arthur saga is of French origin), and that he considerd that to be a lack, that'w s why he started even during the war to line out first drafts for the world in which later LOTR was to set. Figures and characters like the ring ghost were more meant to represent certain philosophies (like nazguls lining out the essence of nihilism). I would not say that Tolkien was intending to write a literaric comment on Nazism, for he was about giving the Anglosaxons their own mythology - thats why the book has so much detailand massive epic power. To base the new Anglosaxon mythology on fighting against Nazism alone would be a bit weak, and poor as a cultural item for a whole people.

This is different to Mervyn Peake, whose third of the three Titus books ("Gormenghast" - one of my all time top three novels ever) very obviously reflected the author's darkened mind that was troubled by the horror of war he experienced, and finally made him surrender to his deamons inside him. A great trategy. What wonders in words and language he could have produced if only having stayed alive, and his mind remained clear.

[August]

Sorry I just don't get the connection between signs of continuing evolution in the human species and national socialism.

What is so nazi about the idea that humans adapt to their local environment?

Skybird I was happy with your most recent response – good point. baggygreen - perhaps you should visit the white power sites or Storm Front and explain to all those people that their use of Tolkien symbols (actually much of those symbols was not Tolkien - it was naturally created by artists who loved his story in the last few decades) was not meant for them and their demented cause. Tell them about the EXPERTS of modern literature and how these men would have most certainly pegged the use of the Irminsul tree as Nazi biased had such been the case. Really, would you have expected any analysis to have noted such a thing? Why everyone here jumped on my Tolkien refrence I am not certain. The Jackson FILMS could have played in Berlin in 1936 with Nazi support. This does not mean Peter Jackson was a Nazi (that’s silly). SO let’s just call it bad luck that this movie came out right after a slew of pro-duty and war films and 9-11. Its just bad luck that the 88ers and KKKers happened to see the Irminsul tree in a garden surrounded by the Celtic Cross that just happened to resemble the one on Storm Front’s front page or the myriad tattoos found on the skin of Nazi skinheads.
It was no secret that Nazi Germany was obsessed by the myth of the Irminsul and all that surrounded it – a tree pillar that once was said to be placed on top of high places (like the WHITE stronghold of Gondor).
http://greyfalcon.us/Ahnenerbe2.htm
http://www.germaniainternational.com/ss2.html (warning turn down sound and see lower page)
It is still inconceivable that a man with Tolkien’s intellect would fail to realize his story contained a validation of much of the myth that Himmler was spinning. But I myself do not believe Tolkien was a Nazi sympathizer.
But still how do you think these images appeared to the modern Neo-Nazis? And if the beasts of the east were supposed to be Nazis – then how could the Irminsul tree figure in? It was supposed to be placed on the continent – in Germany. But EASTWARD OF GERMANY is Poland, and Russia, not Germany. In the story of Tolkien the orcs and monsters came from EAST of the Irminsul tree. SO I am afraid these lame attempts to make this just another English myth FAIL. Tolkien must have simply had a lapse of memory I suppose – poor fellow.
In any event this movie came out in the early 2000s right after the 9-11 had shaken us to our core! So it was with extra power these Tolkien images filled the screens and helped us to lull our minds away from the sad sights of 9-11. And now, a major shift in possible scientific theory, given feet by the BBC and Scientific America – even though the genetic data has not changed since the mid 90s when everything was interpreted in reverse to this new report. And of course who sees the cameras? Who sees a Blitzkrieg? Who sees laws identical to those made by Hitler? Who sees anything unusual. But after decades of governments allowing hordes into Britain and the USA, and saying – sorry, there is nothing we can do, it seems to me that many so-called whites here are nearing their breaking point, with 80+% supporting forcefully removing illegal foreigners. What a sad accident that this scientific report happened to gain legs at this time.



So it seems I was wrong....thanx guys

This quote was interesting: "This was the Irminsul, tree of destiny, Wotan's monument. This immediately became an icon throughout the SS Reich!" (1930s)

note also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irminsul

[JSF]

Suggested reading - "Before the Dawn," by Nicholas Wade

[Blacklight]

Fortunately, not being a fan of Lord of the Rings, I'll presumably escape being 'fodder for the war on Islam', oh but wait a minute, I've read a lot of Robert Heinlein books, obviously including Starship Troopers, and seen the movie,...

At least you read Starship Troopers before seeing that crappy movie ! Apparently the people who made the movie didn't even crack open the book ! It looks like they just read the description of it on the back of the book and wrote the script from that !! (That movie pissed me off. It was one of my favorite books and the movie wasn't even REMOTELY the story that was in the book ! )

Lord of the Rings is now being considered meaning "The War on Islam" now ? YEESH !!! People just won't STOP twisting stuff to their own little world views. I swear. It seems no one can read or write anything nowadays without someone saying that it's "Racist" or "Means the war on terror" or is "nazi propaganda". I'm waiting to see what these crackpots say about books like "On Walden Pond" next.

[Chock]

I'm waiting to see what these crackpots say about books like "On Walden Pond" next.

You don't have to wait, Nostradamus predicted all this, he even predicted that this thread will be locked, look at this quatrain about an attack on the moderators and the subsequent locking of the thread:

The great city by prompt and sudden assault Surprised at night, guards interrupted:
The guards and watches of Saint-Quentin Slaughtered, guards and the portals broken.

Fetch my tinfoil hat, the end is nigh.

Chock

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

Of course with the recent attacks made on evolution in the USA by Christian groups it is likely many scientists will be tempted to go along with this paradigm shift, but anyone who is savvy in politics and history will quickly see the major shift under way. Actually this shift was started back at the end of the 90s, and includes the modern burning of the twin Reichstags on 9-11, the upsurge in fascist like laws on both sides of the Atlantic, and such movies as Lord of the Rings (now a hit with Neo-Nazis cause all the heroes were blue-eyed and most of the foes were dark skinned - men of the West vs monsters of the East).
[...]
I smell a sig heil over the horizon....

Do you think for yourself sometimes, too, or only listen to commie news?

Anyway. I often wonder what the hell would have happened had there been similar anti-western attitudes among people back in say, WWII. Imagine people making peace demos for thug regimes like Hitler's, Michael Moore / Chomsky writing a book about how Pearl Harbor was an inside job, and declaring the war lost because of early defeats etc. Or, vice-versa, how would the politicians / military of the past get away with today's media and attitudes? Imagine General McArthur or - General Patton! - portrayed in today's media? What, "Jap?" - You are racist! What, you use flame-throwers? Cruel! What, you drop napalm? War criminal! What, you flattened the city?

I think plenty of them couldn't believe it. If anything, Wave Skipper, there is socialism on the rise again, especially in Europe. But then again, you know that.

Also, you post your drivel, I'll post mine:

http://www.friesian.com/rand.htm#modern

[heartc]

[quote=Wave Skipper]

Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

I used this site only because it linked in to several media groups carrying this ball. My opinion of you just dropped. Scientific America and the BBC are not exactly UFO media outlets.

Right. They're just commies.

[mrbeast]

[quote=heartc]

Originally Posted by Wave Skipper

Right. They're just commies.

The BBC is Communist?