Point of new Silent Hunter - Page 3

Ducimus · 12-31-07, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by minsc_tdp

subsims are a niche market and subsimmers are a rabid bunch who will buy up just about anything put in front of them.

I agree. In a way theater preference is irrelvant. I feel that If there was only ONE sub sim, and existed in one theather OR the other, thats what people would play simply because its a sub sim. If ubi were to ever do another sub sim, i think it should be a departure from the usual allies vs axis. A ficticious post WW2 , pre nuke boat, cold war what if scenario might have appeal.

i_b_spectre · 12-31-07, 05:55 PM

At the risk of kicking an ant hill, I think any developer would be wise to weigh the cost/benefit of copy protection. I only purchased SH3 this September after accidentally running across some posts that a certain CP was no longer present in the latest release. We all know there are those who have had no problems with it and those that have. I am not interested in playing Russian roulette with my computer and any software that may do me harm will not go on my hard drive. Reportedly, Ubi has moved away from this particular product, but there are others that may be attractive as a replacement and some of those are not without issues. Don't punish the legal user in the hopeless quest for protection that is often circumvented within minutes of a game's release.

Build a quality product, offer it at a reasonable price, support it and it will sell...particularly to a niche market. As has been previously posted, listening to the community is they key. Sure, the noise will need to be filtered, but there are good points made in forums like subsim by people who know and care. If my hardware were up to it, I would surely have tried SH4 by now, but it'll have to wait 'til I can upgrade.

silentrunner · 12-31-07, 09:51 PM

Well I would say that SHV should have the cinimatic style graphics of SHIV but have an experiance like SH3. The graphics should look more like real life; not a movie. Remember that the purpose is to make it seem like you are commanding a sub not watching a movie. SHIII has probably been modified enough. Ubisoft should focus on creating a new game and not rush to release it because SHIV can still be modified.

kiwi_2005 · 01-01-08, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by silentrunner

A large topic among sub sim gamers is that of the creation of a new Silent Hunter. But while SH4 was a good game it did not match up to the capabilities of SH3' what went wrong? I think that SH3 had an overall better engine tobegin with, amd with mods like GWX it is almost a totally different game from vanilla SH3. If Ubisoft created another game with the capabilities of GWx and SH3 they would most likely make alot of money. They would also risk creating another SH4 a game that tried to match up to the capabilities as SH3 but just didn't have as good of an overall design. I would like to get your thaughts about wether a new SH game should be made or if they should just keep upgrading SH3. Keep in mind that as the game is further upgraded more people are buying it so there sales are still going up.

:rotfl::rotfl:

So who paid you to say that about SH4.

Maybe try the mods for SH4 and your think way differently. Would you still be playing SH3 without mods today?

My thoughts we dont need a new SH for the moment we got SH3 with GWX 2 or are you sick of that already, and we got SH4 with some great mods that make the game how its meant to be. Plus the Uboat Addon coming out soon. Hell stop worrying and go sink some ships!

TomcatMVD · 01-01-08, 10:10 AM

I'd bet my dollars on a nuclear subsim, maybe URSS vs US.
That's the way it always goes... look at battlefield, Call of Duty, and so on...
That's my two cents on it

ReallyDedPoet · 01-01-08, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

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Originally Posted by silentrunner

A large topic among sub sim gamers is that of the creation of a new Silent Hunter. But while SH4 was a good game it did not match up to the capabilities of SH3' what went wrong? I think that SH3 had an overall better engine tobegin with, amd with mods like GWX it is almost a totally different game from vanilla SH3. If Ubisoft created another game with the capabilities of GWx and SH3 they would most likely make alot of money. They would also risk creating another SH4 a game that tried to match up to the capabilities as SH3 but just didn't have as good of an overall design. I would like to get your thaughts about wether a new SH game should be made or if they should just keep upgrading SH3. Keep in mind that as the game is further upgraded more people are buying it so there sales are still going up.

:rotfl::rotfl:

So who paid you to say that about SH4.

Maybe try the mods for SH4 and your think way differently. Would you still be playing SH3 without mods today?

My thoughts we dont need a new SH for the moment we got SH3 with GWX 2 or are you sick of that already, and we got SH4 with some great mods that make the game how its meant to be. Plus the Uboat Addon coming out soon. Hell stop worrying and go sink some ships!

Well said

RDP

Brer Rabbit · 01-01-08, 11:55 PM

As a relative NOOB to the world of Subsims and to computer gaming as a whole, I just wantd to add my $.02 into the discussion. As I said in earlier posts, I cut my teeth on Silent Service (Atari) and Silent Service II early PC, as well as 688I and Harpoon series. I purchsed SHII years ago, but gave up on it due to lack of time, and what I considered a steep learning curve. I am now retired, and if I can duck out of Momma's demands on my time, I enjoy more time on the Computer. I installed SHIII a few years ago, did not play it until recently. I really came to enjoy the challenge it offers. When SHIV came out I immediately ran out and purchased it. Then the problems began. First my GFX card wasn't up to the challenge, and my computer just met specs. I ran out and upgraded the GFX card ( Nividia Fx 6200, which of course barley meets the requirements. The I saw that I needed more memory -- out I ran for 2 GB of memory. SHIV runs, but not to its full potential.
To make this long story short as has been mentioned subsimmers are a fairly small group and an older group of gamers, and one of UBIs errors was to come out with simulation that challenged many of those of us with older computers, with out a means to get into the game short of investing a substantial on new computer, or upgrades. That in itself limited the marketibility as well as increasing the frustration of many players.
They might have done better by offering an upgradable SHIV based more on the SHII engine as far as computer requirements go and offering upgrades of the game for more capible computers with all the bells and whistles.

Enjoy both games but I play SHIII more, due to computer limits. Both are super simulations. One your on the winning side and the other your on the losing side with totally differnt challenges. Hope they and the fantastic modders keep up the good work.

Sorry for the long post

Brer Rabbit AKA Kaluen Broderhase

Riggsie15 · 01-02-08, 07:48 AM

In my opion SH3's grapics run better and emerse you in the game better.

SH4 featurs are better, i.e. different mission objections and a better map.

SH3 with GWX and SH4 features would be great. In addition the single game with expansions bringing in more sub fractions that overlape on each other; i.e. core game = U-boats, exp1 = USA subs, exp2 = British subs, exp3 = Jap subs; would result in the ultimate subsim!

IrischKapitan · 01-03-08, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Riggsie15

In my opion SH3's grapics run better and emerse you in the game better.

SH4 featurs are better, i.e. different mission objections and a better map.

SH3 with GWX and SH4 features would be great. In addition the single game with expansions bringing in more sub fractions that overlape on each other; i.e. core game = U-boats, exp1 = USA subs, exp2 = British subs, exp3 = Jap subs; would result in the ultimate subsim!

Ahhhh we can only dream

pythos · 01-03-08, 09:10 AM

SH-5?

1914.

I like that.

The next silent hunter should be in the atlantic, but a few decades before the first type II dipped its belly into the water.

It would be a very interesting experience really. Totally different way of waging war under the sea. Actualy engaging warships blocading baltic ports. Adhiring do the prize rules. No sonar, or hydro phones. Ultra dumb torpedoes, without TDC. No Uzo. Limited diving depths. Harbor raids in Tini tiny UB1 boats.

Serving a land grabber, and not a mad man leading a genocidal political party.

Puster Bill · 01-03-08, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldgamer48

One of the things I noticed was a young man whose IQ was 68, who was going quite far into the campaign of Red Storm Rising. I thought that was marvelous. Then, one day, I decided to watch him play.

He would bring his sub to the surface. Yes, he surfaced the boat! Then, he ran it up to flank speed, turned on all of the sensors, and started launching missiles and torpedoes. When the inevitable counterattack came, he launched countermeasures and maneuvered wildly.

I watched him destroy a complete Soviet surface task force, with six ships, in this manner. Needless to say, it wasn't particularly realistic!

Hmmm, his tactics were bizarre and unusual, yet they worked.

Did this person also happen to have a tattoo that said "Welcome Aboard" on his, erm, member?

kiwi_2005 · 01-03-08, 08:25 PM

If there is going to be a SH5 i reckon - first i like to point out i have had many sleepless nights thinking about this and change my mind many times

But SH5 should be Modern submarines why cause one we dont need another WW2 subsim, no Atlantic cause we have SH3 and gwx to take care of that and we dont need another Pacific caue of SH4. We need an updated Dangerous waters type sim maybe not so difficult as DW. A modern day dynamic campaign during the cold war era or a war a few years in the future. There be no one ocean to play in cause theyre modern subs we get to go anywhere.

Then again how about a Destroyer Command 2

12-31-07, 05:55 PM	#32
i_b_spectre Engineer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 205 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	At the risk of kicking an ant hill, I think any developer would be wise to weigh the cost/benefit of copy protection. I only purchased SH3 this September after accidentally running across some posts that a certain CP was no longer present in the latest release. We all know there are those who have had no problems with it and those that have. I am not interested in playing Russian roulette with my computer and any software that may do me harm will not go on my hard drive. Reportedly, Ubi has moved away from this particular product, but there are others that may be attractive as a replacement and some of those are not without issues. Don't punish the legal user in the hopeless quest for protection that is often circumvented within minutes of a game's release. Build a quality product, offer it at a reasonable price, support it and it will sell...particularly to a niche market. As has been previously posted, listening to the community is they key. Sure, the noise will need to be filtered, but there are good points made in forums like subsim by people who know and care. If my hardware were up to it, I would surely have tried SH4 by now, but it'll have to wait 'til I can upgrade. __________________ Spectre

12-31-07, 09:51 PM	#33
silentrunner Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mind your own business English Types Posts: 334 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well I would say that SHV should have the cinimatic style graphics of SHIV but have an experiance like SH3. The graphics should look more like real life; not a movie. Remember that the purpose is to make it seem like you are commanding a sub not watching a movie. SHIII has probably been modified enough. Ubisoft should focus on creating a new game and not rush to release it because SHIV can still be modified. __________________

01-01-08, 11:55 PM	#37
Brer Rabbit Briar Patch Runner Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 95 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	SH Series As a relative NOOB to the world of Subsims and to computer gaming as a whole, I just wantd to add my $.02 into the discussion. As I said in earlier posts, I cut my teeth on Silent Service (Atari) and Silent Service II early PC, as well as 688I and Harpoon series. I purchsed SHII years ago, but gave up on it due to lack of time, and what I considered a steep learning curve. I am now retired, and if I can duck out of Momma's demands on my time, I enjoy more time on the Computer. I installed SHIII a few years ago, did not play it until recently. I really came to enjoy the challenge it offers. When SHIV came out I immediately ran out and purchased it. Then the problems began. First my GFX card wasn't up to the challenge, and my computer just met specs. I ran out and upgraded the GFX card ( Nividia Fx 6200, which of course barley meets the requirements. The I saw that I needed more memory -- out I ran for 2 GB of memory. SHIV runs, but not to its full potential. To make this long story short as has been mentioned subsimmers are a fairly small group and an older group of gamers, and one of UBIs errors was to come out with simulation that challenged many of those of us with older computers, with out a means to get into the game short of investing a substantial on new computer, or upgrades. That in itself limited the marketibility as well as increasing the frustration of many players. They might have done better by offering an upgradable SHIV based more on the SHII engine as far as computer requirements go and offering upgrades of the game for more capible computers with all the bells and whistles. Enjoy both games but I play SHIII more, due to computer limits. Both are super simulations. One your on the winning side and the other your on the losing side with totally differnt challenges. Hope they and the fantastic modders keep up the good work. Sorry for the long post Brer Rabbit AKA Kaluen Broderhase

01-02-08, 07:48 AM	#38
Riggsie15 Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, QLD, Australia Posts: 23 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	Sh3 + Sh4 = Sh5 (?) In my opion SH3's grapics run better and emerse you in the game better. SH4 featurs are better, i.e. different mission objections and a better map. SH3 with GWX and SH4 features would be great. In addition the single game with expansions bringing in more sub fractions that overlape on each other; i.e. core game = U-boats, exp1 = USA subs, exp2 = British subs, exp3 = Jap subs; would result in the ultimate subsim! __________________ Current Status Game: Silent Hunter 3 (GWX 3 Gold, SH Command) Career: Rank: Boat: Patrols: Ships Sunk: Tonnage:

01-03-08, 08:25 PM	#42
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	If there is going to be a SH5 i reckon - first i like to point out i have had many sleepless nights thinking about this and change my mind many times But SH5 should be Modern submarines why cause one we dont need another WW2 subsim, no Atlantic cause we have SH3 and gwx to take care of that and we dont need another Pacific caue of SH4. We need an updated Dangerous waters type sim maybe not so difficult as DW. A modern day dynamic campaign during the cold war era or a war a few years in the future. There be no one ocean to play in cause theyre modern subs we get to go anywhere. Then again how about a Destroyer Command 2 __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

01-01-08, 10:10 AM	#35
TomcatMVD Weps Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MVD, UY Posts: 359 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I'd bet my dollars on a nuclear subsim, maybe URSS vs US. That's the way it always goes... look at battlefield, Call of Duty, and so on... That's my two cents on it

01-03-08, 09:10 AM	#40
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	SH-5? 1914. I like that. The next silent hunter should be in the atlantic, but a few decades before the first type II dipped its belly into the water. It would be a very interesting experience really. Totally different way of waging war under the sea. Actualy engaging warships blocading baltic ports. Adhiring do the prize rules. No sonar, or hydro phones. Ultra dumb torpedoes, without TDC. No Uzo. Limited diving depths. Harbor raids in Tini tiny UB1 boats. Serving a land grabber, and not a mad man leading a genocidal political party.