[TEC] Ship Spotted Bearing...

AVGWarhawk · 12-21-07, 04:15 PM

Ok, here it is men and perhaps we can find the key to the connection. When I use the S class submarine, the watch crew will say, 'ship spotted bearing ###. When I use any other submarine, the watch crew just says, 'ship spotted'. What is the connection of the S class and the men giving the bearing as opposed to any of the other submarines? I do not know and do no know how to begin looking at it. Can one of the talented modders here locate the connection with the S class and getting the crew response we need for 'Ship spotted bearing ###'? What is the trigger for the entire phrase and can this trigger be applied to the other submarines? Any and all thoughts to getting this working are welcome!!!

donut · 12-21-07, 04:27 PM

Every time we surface from extended depth beyond PD,we are told ship spotted,but there is nothing at bearing indicated on sonar ,or radar:hmm:

AVGWarhawk · 12-21-07, 05:33 PM

Only in the S class will the crew tell the bearing. No other submarines does not do this. My question is what does the s class have in the files that make the men say the bearing but the other submarine files do not?

Ducimus · 12-21-07, 05:41 PM

That is just weird, since i never use S boats, i never noticed. Only thing that pops into my head is to take a look at the dsd or val file for the S class, or one of its conning towers, and compare that to a gato or something.

leovampire · 12-21-07, 06:51 PM

Or does it work for both?

AVGWarhawk · 12-21-07, 07:05 PM

Here I am tooling along in my S class. Note the text. Men are telling me the bearing. This is the only sub that does this.

Ducimus · 12-21-07, 07:06 PM

They both use the same files. The S-42 is an object, that is inheirting its model from the S-18. From a standpoint of looking at the hard data files (not upc or cfg files), they are basically two instances of the same object. Tambor and gar have the same relationship.

leovampire · 12-21-07, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

They both use the same files. The S-42 is an object, that is inheirting its model from the S-18. From a standpoint of looking at the hard data files (not upc or cfg files), they are basically two instances of the same object. Tambor and gar have the same relationship.

I do not mess with the S class or Gar so didn't know anything other than some subs missing a ton of files others have.

I still have a lot to learn that is for sure.

But gives me more to look into for comparisons to see what is missing.

Ducimus · 12-21-07, 07:20 PM

Open up the CFG file for said subs, and look where it defines its model data. edit: Just FYI, this is how i created "bungo pete". You can do this with any player sub, ship, or plane.

leovampire · 12-21-07, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Open up the CFG file for said subs, and look where it defines its model data. edit: Just FYI, this is how i created "bungo pete". You can do this with any player sub, ship, or plane.

I just want to figure out how to get the rest of the phrases and stuff working for all of the subs. I have bits and pieces working now but it is sketchy at best as it works only when it wants to not consistant yet. And still too many of them I can not figure out. I wish I had just one example of them all working.

All of the sound effects all of the phrases all the info that should show up in the messages everything.

Ducimus · 12-21-07, 07:46 PM

It was just an "oh btw" sort of info.

If the phrases only work in the S class, then it has to be a file particular to the S class. I don't think the voice dat files specify utterances for specific subs, or do they? One would think the files associated with whats spoken by the crew is "universal" or a system that could be applied to any sub the player uses. (otherwise you woudlnt hear a peep on the narwhal).

So its probably something specfic to the S class. Hence, maybe the DSD file for it? Or the dat? If you examine the S class in the game, you can see its where the developers put a bit more polish on it. You can click on more of the crew, and they react to you for example, this also isnt really there in other subs. So Im guessing it was probably one of the first subs they started working on, as such it got their "best effort", but as time wore on, subsequent subs didnt get the same hours spent on it, so details were cut. Thats my guess anyway. I noticed the same thing in SH3. The most detail and lifelike interior was the type 2, then the type 7, and on the type 9, its like they ran out of energy to work on it. So i suspect we have something similar here with the S class.

leovampire · 12-21-07, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

It was just an "oh btw" sort of info.

If the phrases only work in the S class, then it has to be a file particular to the S class. I don't think the voice dat files specify utterances for specific subs, or do they? One would think the files associated with whats spoken by the crew is "universal" or a system that could be applied to any sub the player uses. (otherwise you woudlnt hear a peep on the narwhal).

So its probably something specfic to the S class. Hence, maybe the DSD file for it? Or the dat? If you examine the S class in the game, you can see its where the developers put a bit more polish on it. You can click on more of the crew, and they react to you for example, this also isnt really there in other subs. So Im guessing it was probably one of the first subs they started working on, as such it got their "best effort", but as time wore on, subsequent subs didnt get the same hours spent on it, so details were cut. Thats my guess anyway. I noticed the same thing in SH3. The most detail and lifelike interior was the type 2, then the type 7, and on the type 9, its like they ran out of energy to work on it. So i suspect we have something similar here with the S class.

It is one thing for us modders to want all the details bells and whistles with plenty of time and another for the DEV's on a time limit and someone sitting on top of them.

But it is so hard for us when we have to figure out where to start and how to do it.

Like for example the stupid lightning thing for me. After months of exploring and experimenting I am still no where. On some of the stuff for the subs I am in the same possition. I can figure some of it out but other stuff is still keeping me stumped.

Ducimus · 12-21-07, 09:27 PM

>>I can figure some of it out but other stuff is still keeping me stumped.

I know that feeling all too well. To this day, i still want a working internal fuel gauge for the type 9 interior in SH3, and on thing that persists into SH4, is the camera angle when you crash dive... its backward!

leovampire · 12-21-07, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

>>I can figure some of it out but other stuff is still keeping me stumped.

I know that feeling all too well. To this day, i still want a working internal fuel gauge for the type 9 interior in SH3, and on thing that persists into SH4, is the camera angle when you crash dive... its backward!

The links to the interior cam's for the sub's I might be able to change it so the angle of the cam matches better from dive to surface.

Just not right away too much other stuff going on.

AVGWarhawk · 12-22-07, 06:57 AM

Could the files for the S class that seems to have received more attention and makes the men state the bearing be moved to the other submarines thus making these subs do the same thing?

12-21-07, 04:15 PM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,280 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	[TEC] Ship Spotted Bearing... Ok, here it is men and perhaps we can find the key to the connection. When I use the S class submarine, the watch crew will say, 'ship spotted bearing ###. When I use any other submarine, the watch crew just says, 'ship spotted'. What is the connection of the S class and the men giving the bearing as opposed to any of the other submarines? I do not know and do no know how to begin looking at it. Can one of the talented modders here locate the connection with the S class and getting the crew response we need for 'Ship spotted bearing ###'? What is the trigger for the entire phrase and can this trigger be applied to the other submarines? Any and all thoughts to getting this working are welcome!!! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-21-07, 04:27 PM	#2
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I don't know if this is the same glitch,but Every time we surface from extended depth beyond PD,we are told ship spotted,but there is nothing at bearing indicated on sonar ,or radar:hmm:

12-21-07, 05:33 PM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,280 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Only in the S class will the crew tell the bearing. No other submarines does not do this. My question is what does the s class have in the files that make the men say the bearing but the other submarine files do not? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-21-07, 06:51 PM	#5
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	S18 or S42? Or does it work for both? __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

12-21-07, 07:05 PM	#6
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,280 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Here I am tooling along in my S class. Note the text. Men are telling me the bearing. This is the only sub that does this. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

12-21-07, 05:41 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	That is just weird, since i never use S boats, i never noticed. Only thing that pops into my head is to take a look at the dsd or val file for the S class, or one of its conning towers, and compare that to a gato or something.

12-21-07, 07:06 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	They both use the same files. The S-42 is an object, that is inheirting its model from the S-18. From a standpoint of looking at the hard data files (not upc or cfg files), they are basically two instances of the same object. Tambor and gar have the same relationship.

12-21-07, 07:20 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Open up the CFG file for said subs, and look where it defines its model data. edit: Just FYI, this is how i created "bungo pete". You can do this with any player sub, ship, or plane.

12-21-07, 07:46 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	It was just an "oh btw" sort of info. If the phrases only work in the S class, then it has to be a file particular to the S class. I don't think the voice dat files specify utterances for specific subs, or do they? One would think the files associated with whats spoken by the crew is "universal" or a system that could be applied to any sub the player uses. (otherwise you woudlnt hear a peep on the narwhal). So its probably something specfic to the S class. Hence, maybe the DSD file for it? Or the dat? If you examine the S class in the game, you can see its where the developers put a bit more polish on it. You can click on more of the crew, and they react to you for example, this also isnt really there in other subs. So Im guessing it was probably one of the first subs they started working on, as such it got their "best effort", but as time wore on, subsequent subs didnt get the same hours spent on it, so details were cut. Thats my guess anyway. I noticed the same thing in SH3. The most detail and lifelike interior was the type 2, then the type 7, and on the type 9, its like they ran out of energy to work on it. So i suspect we have something similar here with the S class.

12-21-07, 09:27 PM	#13
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	>>I can figure some of it out but other stuff is still keeping me stumped. I know that feeling all too well. To this day, i still want a working internal fuel gauge for the type 9 interior in SH3, and on thing that persists into SH4, is the camera angle when you crash dive... its backward!

12-22-07, 06:57 AM	#15
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,280 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Could the files for the S class that seems to have received more attention and makes the men state the bearing be moved to the other submarines thus making these subs do the same thing? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road