Ha! Now all you evil smokers get it here in Germany...!

Skybird · 12-20-07, 10:49 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,27504,00.html

Serves you well, drug addict!!

Why and how:

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Originally Posted by Der Spiegel

A restaurateur in Lower Saxony has refused to be deterred by the state's new ban on smoking in bars and restaurants: He has sawed three holes in the wall so patrons can smoke "outside."

A German restaurateur has come up with a novel solution to a new ban on smoking in restaurants: He has made three holes in the wall of his restaurant so that customers can smoke "outside."

Michael Windisch, proprietor of the "Maltermeister Turm" restaurant in Goslar in the state of Lower Saxony, was frustrated by the state's ban on smoking in bars and restaurants, which was introduced on Aug. 1 (more...). His solution was to get out the saw.

With the "smoking point," customers can put their heads through the large hole in the middle and one hand through each of the two smaller side holes. The patrons can then enjoy a cigarette "outside," without having to leave the comfort of the inn.
The idea could well catch on across the country: Several of Germany's 16 federal states are to introduce smoking bans on Jan. 1, 2008, including Bavaria and North Rhine-Westphalia and the city states of Berlin and Hamburg.

We now need a bin with ready eggs and tomatoes outside the restaurant!

Letum · 12-20-07, 11:27 AM

Guillotine metaphors ahoy!

August · 12-20-07, 11:32 AM

CCIP · 12-20-07, 11:33 AM

Wow. I can't say I've seen it around here (there's a similar ban in place in Ontario), but I wonder if that idea might come here too.

Less likely though. I know local authorities often push the ban to be even harsher; I know in many places you're not supposed to smoke within 10m of the entrance; here in Ottawa there's been a recent by-law passed that you can't smoke within something like a 10m radius of a bus stop even

antikristuseke · 12-20-07, 11:41 AM

This is a really stupid solution to a problem that need not exist. It should be left to the discretion of the owner of the establish,ment wether to allow smoking there or not. Now that being said, Im quite a heavy smoker and i dont really mind the smoking ban in bars here in Estonia, it isnt all that difficult to go out for a smoke.

JSLTIGER · 12-20-07, 11:49 AM

Smoking is illegal in restaurants here in Florida, and I can say, having grown up in Pennsylvania and attending school in North Carolina that my lungs have never been happier. I can't possibly explain how nice it is to walk into a restaurant that does not have the blue-ish haze of cigarette smoke...

Skybird · 12-20-07, 01:29 PM

Well, I welcome the ban for all non-private places. That said, I don't think that 3-hole-solution is meant to be honest, but just an orginial form of protest. In another case a restaurant owner has declared his establishement to be a smoker's club - non-smoker had no permission to enter.

the local authorities checked the case - and said it is okay. - Poll in recent months showed that a stable majority of Germans welcome the ban of smoking in restaurants, and public buildings. Even not few smokers understand it.

AntEater · 12-20-07, 01:50 PM

Btw, that is the restaurant, or at least part of it.

The Maltermeister Tower, a 15th century watchtower on the Rammelsberg mines in Goslar, where copper and lead was mined from 900 until 1988.
Was mostly used as the office/workshop of the Maltermeister, the carpenter of the mines.
So the medieval overtones of that smoking arrangement fit the place.
Today a museum...

Spoon 11th · 12-20-07, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

Guillotine metaphors ahoy!

I was thinking goatse-picture painted on the wall.

Reaves · 12-20-07, 07:23 PM

I don't mind smoking bans inside but do you know how many bands i've gone to this year and not been able to get a pass-out to go outside for a smoke?

That is where my protests come from, i'm a smoker and it's my God damn right to smoke if I choose. Fair enough people don't want to breath passive smoke, as I said I understand banning smoking inside for public places. I don't even smoke inside my own home! But when it comes to the point that I am not even able to go outside for a puff I'm not going to be a happy camper.

RIOT!!!

Skybird · 12-20-07, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaves

But when it comes to the point that I am not even able to go outside for a puff I'm not going to be a happy camper.

Maybe now you can imagine how non-smokers often feel when wishing to meet people in a bar or restaurant without needing to passively smoke!

In general, I usually tend to agree with the originator principle. It is so simple and easy that even children usually understand it.

antikristuseke · 12-20-07, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaves

I don't mind smoking bans inside but do you know how many bands i've gone to this year and not been able to get a pass-out to go outside for a smoke?

That is where my protests come from, i'm a smoker and it's my God damn right to smoke if I choose. Fair enough people don't want to breath passive smoke, as I said I understand banning smoking inside for public places. I don't even smoke inside my own home! But when it comes to the point that I am not even able to go outside for a puff I'm not going to be a happy camper.

RIOT!!!

I share pretty much the same sentiments.

Letum · 12-20-07, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaves

I don't mind smoking bans inside but do you know how many bands i've gone to this year and not been able to get a pass-out to go outside for a smoke?

You can still go out for a smoke.

Getting back in for music is the hard part.

kiwi_2005 · 12-20-07, 08:43 PM

why doesn't he build an outside part for the smokers, thats what they done here when the no smoking law started. Pubs/Clubs/resturants built outside cafe areas for the smokers cause 60% of their customers are smokers. Keeps both sides happy and the owner bringing in the money

Reaves · 12-20-07, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaves

But when it comes to the point that I am not even able to go outside for a puff I'm not going to be a happy camper.

Maybe now you can imagine how non-smokers often feel when wishing to meet people in a bar or restaurant without needing to passively smoke!

In general, I usually tend to agree with the originator principle. It is so simple and easy that even children usually understand it.

Yeah now the people in bars can smell urine, sweat and stale beer...

Smoking has not been allowed in restaurants here for awhile so that doesn't phase me. As I said it's not that I disagree with the measures, I don't smoke in my own home, it's just that when you can't even leave an establishment in order to have a smoke I feel it's breaching my personal freedoms and my right to do what I wish. More proof we are NOT FREE but live in a democracy.

Fair enough you don't smoke and don't like the smell but I do and i'm sick of being treated like a second class citizen because of it.

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12-20-07, 01:29 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,628 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Well, I welcome the ban for all non-private places. That said, I don't think that 3-hole-solution is meant to be honest, but just an orginial form of protest. In another case a restaurant owner has declared his establishement to be a smoker's club - non-smoker had no permission to enter. the local authorities checked the case - and said it is okay. - Poll in recent months showed that a stable majority of Germans welcome the ban of smoking in restaurants, and public buildings. Even not few smokers understand it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-20-07, 11:41 AM	#5
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	This is a really stupid solution to a problem that need not exist. It should be left to the discretion of the owner of the establish,ment wether to allow smoking there or not. Now that being said, Im quite a heavy smoker and i dont really mind the smoking ban in bars here in Estonia, it isnt all that difficult to go out for a smoke.

12-20-07, 01:50 PM	#8
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Btw, that is the restaurant, or at least part of it. The Maltermeister Tower, a 15th century watchtower on the Rammelsberg mines in Goslar, where copper and lead was mined from 900 until 1988. Was mostly used as the office/workshop of the Maltermeister, the carpenter of the mines. So the medieval overtones of that smoking arrangement fit the place. Today a museum... __________________

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Reaves The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,509 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I don't mind smoking bans inside but do you know how many bands i've gone to this year and not been able to get a pass-out to go outside for a smoke? That is where my protests come from, i'm a smoker and it's my God damn right to smoke if I choose. Fair enough people don't want to breath passive smoke, as I said I understand banning smoking inside for public places. I don't even smoke inside my own home! But when it comes to the point that I am not even able to go outside for a puff I'm not going to be a happy camper. RIOT!!! __________________

12-20-07, 08:43 PM	#14
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	why doesn't he build an outside part for the smokers, thats what they done here when the no smoking law started. Pubs/Clubs/resturants built outside cafe areas for the smokers cause 60% of their customers are smokers. Keeps both sides happy and the owner bringing in the money __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.