Hate crimes on the rise in U.S.

DeepIron · 11-19-07, 01:41 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/19....ap/index.html

Of course, the Rev. Al Sharpton has to weigh in on it:
"The FBI report confirms what we have been saying for many months about the severe increase in hate crimes," said the Rev. Al Sharpton, who organized Friday's march. "What is not reported, however, is the lack of prosecution and serious investigation by the Justice Department to counter this increase in hate crimes." Sharpton called for Attorney General Michael Mukasey to meet with members of the Congressional Black Caucus and civil rights leaders to discuss this matter.

So, what's up Al? Blacks are not the only ones being violated here...

micky1up · 11-19-07, 01:45 PM

america has always had hate crimes KKK bloods crips so whats new

Letum · 11-19-07, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by micky1up

america has always had hate crimes KKK bloods crips so whats new

....the increace apperantly.
Thats what the post is about anyway.

DeepIron · 11-19-07, 02:41 PM

What bugs me is how Sharpton wants Mukasey to meet with the CBC and "civil rights leaders" can you say Jesse Jackson to discuss the matter...

So, by segmenting this into a Black vs. White vs. <insert nationality here> issue as Sharpton is positioning for, how does a "national" crime statistic get solved? No, let's get the CBC involved, not "the Congress", the representative body of all Americans to work on this problem. No, let's focus on the "black" aspect of the issue, not the whole hate crime issue...

SUBMAN1 · 11-19-07, 04:27 PM

Well, what do you expect when you read CNN? Anyone else besides CNN reporting anything about Sharpton? Doubt it, and if they are, very minimally.

-S

Ducimus · 11-19-07, 04:50 PM

Hate's always existed. partcuarlly in some areas the south, its roots are rather deep in some places. What this really is, is the media short stroking the aftermath of the whole jena 6 episode. No matter what, they have to draw any news item for as much as they can, for as long as they can if it gets ratings.

DeepIron · 11-19-07, 06:09 PM

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Well, what do you expect when you read CNN?

Well, normally I'd go for "The National Enquirer" first but they hadn't picked up on it yet...

11-19-07, 07:04 PM

Hate crime. What is really beiing punished is the thoughts or words which someone is offended by. If you throttle someone to within an inch of their life and either before, during or after the throttling you speak an offensive word against the victims race, creed, or sexual orientation, its a hate crime. Expect a rise in murder soon. Never leave the victim alive or the prosecutor will pile the 'hate crime' on top of the assault charge.

Which brings me to the prosecutors themselves, who, when their case is weak always inflate the number of charges hoping for the golden be-be. This is just another be-be.

Letum · 11-19-07, 07:15 PM

They still have to prove it was a hate crime to a jury beyond reasonable doubt.

i doubt thats easy in a lot of cases, provideing the jury understands "reasonable doubt".

11-19-07, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

They still have to prove it was a hate crime to a jury beyond reasonable doubt.

i doubt thats easy in a lot of cases, provideing the jury understands "reasonable doubt".

Might I suggeat you view the film 12 Angry Men. BTW there is no way that a jury is ever as smart as the folks in the movie. Beyond that the entire jury process is heavily weighted in favor of the prosecution, from the questionares before the selection to the instructions given by the judge.

kiwi_2005 · 11-20-07, 02:09 PM

Ive watched some hate movies in the past.

America History X - Edward Norton played the part well as an white extremist who goes through a change while in prison and comes out a better man. Good movie.

This is England. 1980s background with skinhead/soccer hooligans.

Romper Stomper. An aussie version of a group of skinheads telling asians to go home

Gangs of the World.
Documentary on gangs in USA, (Black & white gangs) New Zealand (Mongrel Mob) , Russia (Russian Nazis <-- Go figure) and Rio - poor cocaine fill teenagers with AK47's taking on the police - in one part of Rio at night the highway is closed down cause of the crossfire between two main gangs. :rotfl:

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DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hate crimes on the rise in U.S. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/19....ap/index.html Of course, the Rev. Al Sharpton has to weigh in on it: "The FBI report confirms what we have been saying for many months about the severe increase in hate crimes," said the Rev. Al Sharpton, who organized Friday's march. "What is not reported, however, is the lack of prosecution and serious investigation by the Justice Department to counter this increase in hate crimes." Sharpton called for Attorney General Michael Mukasey to meet with members of the Congressional Black Caucus and civil rights leaders to discuss this matter. So, what's up Al? Blacks are not the only ones being violated here... __________________ RFB / RSRDC Beta Tester RFB / RSRDC Modding Forum: http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php RFB Top Post link: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=125529 RFB Loadout: RFB_V1.52_102408: RFB_V1.52_Patch_111608: RSRDC_RFBv15_V396

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DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What bugs me is how Sharpton wants Mukasey to meet with the CBC and "civil rights leaders" can you say Jesse Jackson to discuss the matter... So, by segmenting this into a Black vs. White vs. <insert nationality here> issue as Sharpton is positioning for, how does a "national" crime statistic get solved? No, let's get the CBC involved, not "the Congress", the representative body of all Americans to work on this problem. No, let's focus on the "black" aspect of the issue, not the whole hate crime issue... __________________ RFB / RSRDC Beta Tester RFB / RSRDC Modding Forum: http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php RFB Top Post link: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=125529 RFB Loadout: RFB_V1.52_102408: RFB_V1.52_Patch_111608: RSRDC_RFBv15_V396

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, what do you expect when you read CNN? Anyone else besides CNN reporting anything about Sharpton? Doubt it, and if they are, very minimally. -S __________________

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Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	They still have to prove it was a hate crime to a jury beyond reasonable doubt. i doubt thats easy in a lot of cases, provideing the jury understands "reasonable doubt". __________________

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kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Ive watched some hate movies in the past. America History X - Edward Norton played the part well as an white extremist who goes through a change while in prison and comes out a better man. Good movie. This is England. 1980s background with skinhead/soccer hooligans. Romper Stomper. An aussie version of a group of skinheads telling asians to go home Gangs of the World. Documentary on gangs in USA, (Black & white gangs) New Zealand (Mongrel Mob) , Russia (Russian Nazis <-- Go figure) and Rio - poor cocaine fill teenagers with AK47's taking on the police - in one part of Rio at night the highway is closed down cause of the crossfire between two main gangs. :rotfl: __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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micky1up Captain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: helensburgh Posts: 525 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	america has always had hate crimes KKK bloods crips so whats new

11-19-07, 04:50 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Hate's always existed. partcuarlly in some areas the south, its roots are rather deep in some places. What this really is, is the media short stroking the aftermath of the whole jena 6 episode. No matter what, they have to draw any news item for as much as they can, for as long as they can if it gets ratings.

11-19-07, 07:04 PM	#8
waste gate Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hate crime. What is really beiing punished is the thoughts or words which someone is offended by. If you throttle someone to within an inch of their life and either before, during or after the throttling you speak an offensive word against the victims race, creed, or sexual orientation, its a hate crime. Expect a rise in murder soon. Never leave the victim alive or the prosecutor will pile the 'hate crime' on top of the assault charge. Which brings me to the prosecutors themselves, who, when their case is weak always inflate the number of charges hoping for the golden be-be. This is just another be-be.