I am in a doubt !

JCWolf · 11-11-07, 10:39 PM

I Mod in this Place for a time now,

Been making Mods for quiet a long time
and one thing nobody can ever say is
that I ever asked anything in return !

There is a reazon for me for posting this,
and the reazon is quit simple....

My U-boat mod under Dev is reaching a point of,
for one side the version made for stock SHIII
needing to be tested and the other for GWX
is on stand by wayting for the brave and noble friends of
the GWX team to finish it and release it...

As for the GWX I now I have to wayt, cause Moding is that
hard work and hard times in front of the PC, I have been testing that
U-boat version cause I can test it with the GWX 1.03...

Has for the Stock version I just can't do it, since I do not have
the stock installed and can't test it, so I recruited some guys
Thru out this forum and some didn't even showed up for saying ok lets work...

MrChris and Lutzow were the onlys to explain to me why
it was not possible to do it right away , I mean start the testings
of the Alpha version, But the rest of the guys it looks like you just
want stuff done and posted without moving a single finger !

I am not complaining for nothing here, I just see to many
people complaining about the Mod times to make and unperfections
and when they have the way to help its just to much work !

I don't get it guys, beta testing means that
we test we find errors we report , we fix them and we returne to test
until the mod runs without isues...That takes time and an effort
from ourselfs on the task of testing this vergin files so that they
get fixed and they are released to the community in good form and shape...

I am somehow desapointed that after somany mouths of work when I finaly
ask for help in this to offer you guys a Product entierly free a product that
you will get without a single effort and money expended you guys live me
alone and just don't do what you affferd to do when I posted the beta recruiting post !

This is not for all just some of them I still have 2 working from 6 that oferd help !

The forum and mi testing harbor area is now closed until I get real help in this !

I am sorry for all of you guys that just don't have nothing to do with this
and have to reed this words...

But I am just sad and desapointed...

Chock · 11-11-07, 11:13 PM

I would not be too disappointed, often people get into beta testing for the wrong reasons. Sometimes they think that it just means playing around with something as you would with the regular sim, and the benefit is that you get to see stuff early, but of course it is not like that at all. It's tedious, repetitive and requires dedication, and is time consuming because of all that. Sometimes people will volunteer and then realise this with dismay, others will begin and their enthusiasm for the task will fall off. and some won't do as they offered.

I was recently offered the chance to join the beta for the Pirates of the Burning Sea RPG (twice actually), and regrettably had to turn it down, as I knew I would not have the time to give it what it deserved. Of course, when one applies for something like that, it is many months before the opportunity presents itself in actuality, and in the case of POTBS, I think I put in the request almost two years ago. As such, one can never be certain that the free time will be there when it comes to actually doing the testing.

All we can do is urge people to think carefully about volunteering for this kind of thing, as it is often not the bed of roses it appears to be. This happens with software reviewers too (of which I am one for Avsim). Ostensibly it looks like a great deal to be a reviewer - getting software for free and just knocking up a quick article about it - but the truth is one has to spend numerous hours researching stuff in order to write knowledgeably about matters, for to criticise something in error and wrongly affect people's opinion of a product would be unforgiveable! So in the case of reviewing aircraft and add-ons for flight sims (as I do), there are countless boring hours of repeating the same flight over and over again with different configurations and in different weather etc, etc, loading it into Vista, then XP, then FSX, then FS9, then on a laptop with a different graphics card etc, etc, not to mention poring over technical books and measuring the accuracy of 3D models and flight modeling. Frankly, if all I was interested in was getting the plane for free, it would be far less hassle simply to buy it and not have to do the review! But, since I like writing reviews, and think it offers a valuable service to do so, I indulge in this kind of thing.

So don't be too harsh on people if they lose enthusiasm for things JCWolf, in the end people appreciate your work, just not everyone is cut out for doing that sort of thing, if everyone was, the world would be a bit dull. and you can never be certain of someone's reason for not showing up, it may well be very reasonable.

Chock

slow_n_ez · 11-11-07, 11:17 PM

Hummm.. thought I saw your beta testing slots were full for the time being .... anyways , if you like I can help you with observations and screen shots when needed .... I run stock SH3 patched to 1.4b ...... I can always start a new career with no other mods installed ......

I play one patrol per day .... sometimes more if I feel blood thirsty

Koondawg · 11-11-07, 11:18 PM

Quote:

But the rest of the guys it looks like you just
want stuff done and posted without moving a single finger !

Excuse me? I thought I was contributing to the cause...and trying to help. Am I wrong here? Did I not do what was asked of me? Im just wondering?
Koon :hmm:

JCWolf · 11-11-07, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chock

I would not be too disappointed, often people get into beta testing for the wrong reasons. Sometimes they think that it just means playing around with something as you would with the regular sim, and the benefit is that you get to see stuff early, but of course it is not like that at all. It's tedious, repetitive and requires dedication, and is time consuming because of all that. Sometimes people will volunteer and then realise this with dismay, others will begin and their enthusiasm for the task will fall off. and some won't do as they offered.

I was recently offered the chance to join the beta for the Pirates of the Burning Sea RPG (twice actually), and regrettably had to turn it down, as I knew I would not have the time to give it what it deserved. Of course, when one applies for something like that, it is many months before the opportunity presents itself in actuality, and in the case of POTBS, I think I put in the request almost two years ago. As such, one can never be certain that the free time will be there when it comes to actually doing the testing.

All we can do is urge people to think carefully about volunteering for this kind of thing, as it is often not the bed of roses it appears to be. This happens with software reviewers too (of which I am one for Avsim). Ostensibly it looks like a great deal to be a reviewer - getting software for free and just knocking up a quick article about it - but the truth is one has to spend numerous hours researching stuff in order to write knowledgeably about matters, for to criticise something in error and wrongly affect people's opinion of a product would be unforgiveable! So in the case of reviewing aircraft and add-ons for flight sims (as I do), there are countless boring hours of repeating the same flight over and over again with different configurations and in different weather etc, etc, loading it into Vista, then XP, then FSX, then FS9, then on a laptop with a different graphics card etc, etc, not to mention poring over technical books and measuring the accuracy of 3D models and flight modeling. Frankly, if all I was interested in was getting the plane for free, it would be far less hassle simply to buy it and not have to do the review! But, since I like writing reviews, and think it offers a valuable service to do so, I indulge in this kind of thing.

So don't be too harsh on people if they lose enthusiasm for things JCWolf, in the end people appreciate your work, just not everyone is cut out for doing that sort of thing, if everyone was, the world would be a bit dull. and you can never be certain of someone's reason for not showing up, it may well be very reasonable.

Chock

I do understand perfectly what you mean, but somehow i am maybe
saying that above based on mi personal way of doing things, you know, if i propose
myself for a task i'll just do it, sure sometimes life plays treaks and real life engagements makes us restrocture a all worktable for a day but what we propose ourselfs to acomplishe we should follow by that line...

this is a Mod mate, and for sure i am not a huge game company with large budget for spending , but some times its not the action or compromising and failing what we compromised ourselfs to do, its the way , we can simply send a PM or an e-mail and say we can't do it anymore for what ever reazon...

I am sure that you just don't skip a task without info the guys that you can't do ti !

but as I say its a mod, and i am glad that some people like my work,
just that I have been working on this baby for 3 mouths allready alone
and finding and fighting with the losss of time to do stuff and fixing stuff,
and in the and you get a empty PM box with not even a small excuse for not
doing something !

thanks for the words mate... But no metter what it will be done...
the Mod will hit the Road and run ! I hope without errors !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koondawg

Quote:

But the rest of the guys it looks like you just
want stuff done and posted without moving a single finger !

Excuse me? I thought I was contributing to the cause...and trying to help. Am I wrong here? Did I not do what was asked of me? Im just wondering?
Koon :hmm:

yep you are ...

reed this I have posted above !

"This is not for all just some of them I still have 2 working from 6 that oferd help !"

- Hawk U-375
- Koondawg

as I say 2 from 6 !

iambecomelife · 11-11-07, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chock

I would not be too disappointed, often people get into beta testing for the wrong reasons. Sometimes they think that it just means playing around with something as you would with the regular sim, and the benefit is that you get to see stuff early, but of course it is not like that at all. It's tedious, repetitive and requires dedication, and is time consuming because of all that. Sometimes people will volunteer and then realise this with dismay, others will begin and their enthusiasm for the task will fall off. and some won't do as they offered.

I was recently offered the chance to join the beta for the Pirates of the Burning Sea RPG (twice actually), and regrettably had to turn it down, as I knew I would not have the time to give it what it deserved. Of course, when one applies for something like that, it is many months before the opportunity presents itself in actuality, and in the case of POTBS, I think I put in the request almost two years ago. As such, one can never be certain that the free time will be there when it comes to actually doing the testing.

All we can do is urge people to think carefully about volunteering for this kind of thing, as it is often not the bed of roses it appears to be. This happens with software reviewers too (of which I am one for Avsim). Ostensibly it looks like a great deal to be a reviewer - getting software for free and just knocking up a quick article about it - but the truth is one has to spend numerous hours researching stuff in order to write knowledgeably about matters, for to criticise something in error and wrongly affect people's opinion of a product would be unforgiveable! So in the case of reviewing aircraft and add-ons for flight sims (as I do), there are countless boring hours of repeating the same flight over and over again with different configurations and in different weather etc, etc, loading it into Vista, then XP, then FSX, then FS9, then on a laptop with a different graphics card etc, etc, not to mention poring over technical books and measuring the accuracy of 3D models and flight modeling. Frankly, if all I was interested in was getting the plane for free, it would be far less hassle simply to buy it and not have to do the review! But, since I like writing reviews, and think it offers a valuable service to do so, I indulge in this kind of thing.

So don't be too harsh on people if they lose enthusiasm for things JCWolf, in the end people appreciate your work, just not everyone is cut out for doing that sort of thing, if everyone was, the world would be a bit dull. and you can never be certain of someone's reason for not showing up, it may well be very reasonable.

Chock

Interesting that you mentioned POTBS. I also wanted to be a beta tester but I, too realized that there is no way I would have the time. Nowadays almost all of my sim playing time goes into testing my own mod; it's gotten to the point where I haven't played SH3 in Campaign mode for over a year.

I agree that you need to be careful before volunteering to beta test. Not many people have the time (or self discipline) to test a new mod thoroughly, as opposed to just playing for fun as if it's the release version.

@JCWolf - I would help out myself and I really appreciate what you're trying to do but, again, I don't think I would have the time. Also, I play GWX instead of stock SH3.

Wolfehunter · 11-12-07, 12:03 AM

JC I'm avaible to test your mod. I use stock 1.4b. all my mods can be disable if nessary. Just tell me what I need and what I should do to test your stock mod!

JCWolf · 11-12-07, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iambecomelife

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chock

I would not be too disappointed, often people get into beta testing for the wrong reasons. Sometimes they think that it just means playing around with something as you would with the regular sim, and the benefit is that you get to see stuff early, but of course it is not like that at all. It's tedious, repetitive and requires dedication, and is time consuming because of all that. Sometimes people will volunteer and then realise this with dismay, others will begin and their enthusiasm for the task will fall off. and some won't do as they offered.

I was recently offered the chance to join the beta for the Pirates of the Burning Sea RPG (twice actually), and regrettably had to turn it down, as I knew I would not have the time to give it what it deserved. Of course, when one applies for something like that, it is many months before the opportunity presents itself in actuality, and in the case of POTBS, I think I put in the request almost two years ago. As such, one can never be certain that the free time will be there when it comes to actually doing the testing.

All we can do is urge people to think carefully about volunteering for this kind of thing, as it is often not the bed of roses it appears to be. This happens with software reviewers too (of which I am one for Avsim). Ostensibly it looks like a great deal to be a reviewer - getting software for free and just knocking up a quick article about it - but the truth is one has to spend numerous hours researching stuff in order to write knowledgeably about matters, for to criticise something in error and wrongly affect people's opinion of a product would be unforgiveable! So in the case of reviewing aircraft and add-ons for flight sims (as I do), there are countless boring hours of repeating the same flight over and over again with different configurations and in different weather etc, etc, loading it into Vista, then XP, then FSX, then FS9, then on a laptop with a different graphics card etc, etc, not to mention poring over technical books and measuring the accuracy of 3D models and flight modeling. Frankly, if all I was interested in was getting the plane for free, it would be far less hassle simply to buy it and not have to do the review! But, since I like writing reviews, and think it offers a valuable service to do so, I indulge in this kind of thing.

So don't be too harsh on people if they lose enthusiasm for things JCWolf, in the end people appreciate your work, just not everyone is cut out for doing that sort of thing, if everyone was, the world would be a bit dull. and you can never be certain of someone's reason for not showing up, it may well be very reasonable.

Chock

Interesting that you mentioned POTBS. I also wanted to be a beta tester but I, too realized that there is no way I would have the time. Nowadays almost all of my sim playing time goes into testing my own mod; it's gotten to the point where I haven't played SH3 in Campaign mode for over a year.

I agree that you need to be careful before volunteering to beta test. Not many people have the time (or self discipline) to test a new mod thoroughly, as opposed to just playing for fun as if it's the release version.

@JCWolf - I would help out myself and I really appreciate what you're trying to do but, again, I don't think I would have the time. Also, I play GWX instead of stock SH3.

Hey I know were your trenches are iambecomelife !

And from mi trench line i can see you'ree being under fire almost for a year !

i know your full mate, and thak you for the support !

I have 2 guys on the testing road and MChris and lutzow will joyne
soon but I am surprised with the other 2, cause just am and thats it...

Not chocked, I just hope I do not see my work posted some were
without mi permision cause it happend before in a similar situation
when i was in the GWX team !

And that is the reazon I get desapointed, for being treacked for get
some files that just are not working full yet !

Friedl9te · 11-12-07, 02:01 AM

Obviously you adressed me, but there is no reason to be disappointed. You promised to provide a link for DL last week. I waited every day. Then the weekend came and I was out for a two day holiday, and as it was supposed to be a holiday I was far away from any PC.
Returned home yesterday afternoon, I saw that there is a link now, but the link is broken, passed by, dead.
Sorry mate, ...

This is not a complaint in any way I just wanted to make some things clear.

Besides, I haven`t installed a stock version either, but for ßtesting your mod, I would have installed it from scratch.

I appreciate what you do for SHIII, but maybe we do not fit together so I recommend to find some other guys to do the ßtesting.

lutzow · 11-12-07, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCWolf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chock

I would not be too disappointed, often people get into beta testing for the wrong reasons. Sometimes they think that it just means playing around with something as you would with the regular sim, and the benefit is that you get to see stuff early, but of course it is not like that at all. It's tedious, repetitive and requires dedication, and is time consuming because of all that. Sometimes people will volunteer and then realise this with dismay, others will begin and their enthusiasm for the task will fall off. and some won't do as they offered.

I was recently offered the chance to join the beta for the Pirates of the Burning Sea RPG (twice actually), and regrettably had to turn it down, as I knew I would not have the time to give it what it deserved. Of course, when one applies for something like that, it is many months before the opportunity presents itself in actuality, and in the case of POTBS, I think I put in the request almost two years ago. As such, one can never be certain that the free time will be there when it comes to actually doing the testing.

All we can do is urge people to think carefully about volunteering for this kind of thing, as it is often not the bed of roses it appears to be. This happens with software reviewers too (of which I am one for Avsim). Ostensibly it looks like a great deal to be a reviewer - getting software for free and just knocking up a quick article about it - but the truth is one has to spend numerous hours researching stuff in order to write knowledgeably about matters, for to criticise something in error and wrongly affect people's opinion of a product would be unforgiveable! So in the case of reviewing aircraft and add-ons for flight sims (as I do), there are countless boring hours of repeating the same flight over and over again with different configurations and in different weather etc, etc, loading it into Vista, then XP, then FSX, then FS9, then on a laptop with a different graphics card etc, etc, not to mention poring over technical books and measuring the accuracy of 3D models and flight modeling. Frankly, if all I was interested in was getting the plane for free, it would be far less hassle simply to buy it and not have to do the review! But, since I like writing reviews, and think it offers a valuable service to do so, I indulge in this kind of thing.

So don't be too harsh on people if they lose enthusiasm for things JCWolf, in the end people appreciate your work, just not everyone is cut out for doing that sort of thing, if everyone was, the world would be a bit dull. and you can never be certain of someone's reason for not showing up, it may well be very reasonable.

Chock

I do understand perfectly what you mean, but somehow i am maybe
saying that above based on mi personal way of doing things, you know, if i propose
myself for a task i'll just do it, sure sometimes life plays treaks and real life engagements makes us restrocture a all worktable for a day but what we propose ourselfs to acomplishe we should follow by that line...

this is a Mod mate, and for sure i am not a huge game company with large budget for spending , but some times its not the action or compromising and failing what we compromised ourselfs to do, its the way , we can simply send a PM or an e-mail and say we can't do it anymore for what ever reazon...

I am sure that you just don't skip a task without info the guys that you can't do ti !

but as I say its a mod, and i am glad that some people like my work,
just that I have been working on this baby for 3 mouths allready alone
and finding and fighting with the losss of time to do stuff and fixing stuff,
and in the and you get a empty PM box with not even a small excuse for not
doing something !

thanks for the words mate... But no metter what it will be done...
the Mod will hit the Road and run ! I hope without errors !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koondawg

Quote:

But the rest of the guys it looks like you just
want stuff done and posted without moving a single finger !

Excuse me? I thought I was contributing to the cause...and trying to help. Am I wrong here? Did I not do what was asked of me? Im just wondering?
Koon :hmm:

yep you are ...

reed this I have posted above !

"This is not for all just some of them I still have 2 working from 6 that oferd help !"

- Hawk U-375
- Koondawg

as I say 2 from 6 !

Probably i don't understand clearly this texts above.
My english is still under construction...
Maybe i do something wrong.

AOTD_MadMax · 11-12-07, 03:36 AM

Hi JC,

dont be desapointed !
I would help if i could but my time is realy short cause first iam working on the 7. AOTD-onlinecampaign and second iam working on my ships so there is not enough time for testing.

Think positive mate, there will be enough tester around here.
Allure them with some chocolate and they come.

Best regards

Maddy

Venatore · 11-12-07, 03:39 AM

Stay the course my friend, stay the course.

What makes Beta testing so dam difficult is the following;

Language barriers.
Distance.
Ability not to talk face to face.
Beta Tester knowledge base.
No Beta Tester manual (report layout, details required etc).
Real life.

Other information that must be given to the creator of the mod by the Beta Testers is PC hardware configuration etc.

I may look into making a PDF Beta Tester guide this may stop this type of scenario from happening.:hmm:

onelifecrisis · 11-12-07, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCWolf

I Mod in this Place for a time now,

Been making Mods for quiet a long time
and one thing nobody can ever say is
that I ever asked anything in return !

There is a reazon for me for posting this,
and the reazon is quit simple....

My U-boat mod under Dev is reaching a point of,
for one side the version made for stock SHIII
needing to be tested and the other for GWX
is on stand by wayting for the brave and noble friends of
the GWX team to finish it and release it...

As for the GWX I now I have to wayt, cause Moding is that
hard work and hard times in front of the PC, I have been testing that
U-boat version cause I can test it with the GWX 1.03...

Has for the Stock version I just can't do it, since I do not have
the stock installed and can't test it, so I recruited some guys
Thru out this forum and some didn't even showed up for saying ok lets work...

MrChris and Lutzow were the onlys to explain to me why
it was not possible to do it right away , I mean start the testings
of the Alpha version, But the rest of the guys it looks like you just
want stuff done and posted without moving a single finger !

I am not complaining for nothing here, I just see to many
people complaining about the Mod times to make and unperfections
and when they have the way to help its just to much work !

I don't get it guys, beta testing means that
we test we find errors we report , we fix them and we returne to test
until the mod runs without isues...That takes time and an effort
from ourselfs on the task of testing this vergin files so that they
get fixed and they are released to the community in good form and shape...

I am somehow desapointed that after somany mouths of work when I finaly
ask for help in this to offer you guys a Product entierly free a product that
you will get without a single effort and money expended you guys live me
alone and just don't do what you affferd to do when I posted the beta recruiting post !

This is not for all just some of them I still have 2 working from 6 that oferd help !

The forum and mi testing harbor area is now closed until I get real help in this !

I am sorry for all of you guys that just don't have nothing to do with this
and have to reed this words...

But I am just sad and desapointed...

JCWolf, I see that I am not on your list of "people who showed up to beta test" again. This is the second time you've accused me of this.

As I stated, both in PM here at subsim, and on your forum: the beta took 16 hours to download. In both messages to you I requested you find somewhere other than megapants to host it, and in both cases you did not reply. So I waited 16 hours and then I began to test, only to be hit by a CTD upon launching the game. A search of your forum revealed a fixed menu ini, which I installed, only to get another CTD (thankfully not on start-up this time) which I reported. You told me a fix was on it's way. That was last night... and this morning I login and see this? Only 48 hours after the beta was posted for download?

As an aside... a beta test should not CTD on launch.

Bugs are to be expected, yes, and reported, but such elementary testing as "will the game actually start with my mod" should already have been performed by you.

I would rather have discussed this in PM but as you've made the post publicly, my reply is public too.

OLC

lutzow · 11-12-07, 06:20 AM

I'm agree with Onelifecrisis

- i passed the same way and i'm still with you. And you missed me too in your ''DOUBT'' thread. I'm thinked that i don't understanding everything but now all is clear

I sended you a big report with images after checking first alpha - how you can forgot me
in your ''DOUBT'' thread?

onelifecrisis · 11-12-07, 06:20 AM

And now I try to login to your forum and the beta test forum has vanished? I guess I've been removed from the list of people who can see it? :hmm:

So be it. I wish you luck finding "better" testers mate.

11-11-07, 10:39 PM	#1
JCWolf Admiral Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Spain , Crossing Gibraltar! Posts: 2,292 Downloads: 202 Uploads: 1	I am in a doubt ! I Mod in this Place for a time now, Been making Mods for quiet a long time and one thing nobody can ever say is that I ever asked anything in return ! There is a reazon for me for posting this, and the reazon is quit simple.... My U-boat mod under Dev is reaching a point of, for one side the version made for stock SHIII needing to be tested and the other for GWX is on stand by wayting for the brave and noble friends of the GWX team to finish it and release it... As for the GWX I now I have to wayt, cause Moding is that hard work and hard times in front of the PC, I have been testing that U-boat version cause I can test it with the GWX 1.03... Has for the Stock version I just can't do it, since I do not have the stock installed and can't test it, so I recruited some guys Thru out this forum and some didn't even showed up for saying ok lets work... MrChris and Lutzow were the onlys to explain to me why it was not possible to do it right away , I mean start the testings of the Alpha version, But the rest of the guys it looks like you just want stuff done and posted without moving a single finger ! I am not complaining for nothing here, I just see to many people complaining about the Mod times to make and unperfections and when they have the way to help its just to much work ! I don't get it guys, beta testing means that we test we find errors we report , we fix them and we returne to test until the mod runs without isues...That takes time and an effort from ourselfs on the task of testing this vergin files so that they get fixed and they are released to the community in good form and shape... I am somehow desapointed that after somany mouths of work when I finaly ask for help in this to offer you guys a Product entierly free a product that you will get without a single effort and money expended you guys live me alone and just don't do what you affferd to do when I posted the beta recruiting post ! This is not for all just some of them I still have 2 working from 6 that oferd help ! The forum and mi testing harbor area is now closed until I get real help in this ! I am sorry for all of you guys that just don't have nothing to do with this and have to reed this words... But I am just sad and desapointed... __________________ JCWolf Mediafire SHIII Page User name : JCWolf Password : stefre@jcm Last edited by JCWolf; 11-11-07 at 10:56 PM.

11-11-07, 11:13 PM	#2
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I would not be too disappointed, often people get into beta testing for the wrong reasons. Sometimes they think that it just means playing around with something as you would with the regular sim, and the benefit is that you get to see stuff early, but of course it is not like that at all. It's tedious, repetitive and requires dedication, and is time consuming because of all that. Sometimes people will volunteer and then realise this with dismay, others will begin and their enthusiasm for the task will fall off. and some won't do as they offered. I was recently offered the chance to join the beta for the Pirates of the Burning Sea RPG (twice actually), and regrettably had to turn it down, as I knew I would not have the time to give it what it deserved. Of course, when one applies for something like that, it is many months before the opportunity presents itself in actuality, and in the case of POTBS, I think I put in the request almost two years ago. As such, one can never be certain that the free time will be there when it comes to actually doing the testing. All we can do is urge people to think carefully about volunteering for this kind of thing, as it is often not the bed of roses it appears to be. This happens with software reviewers too (of which I am one for Avsim). Ostensibly it looks like a great deal to be a reviewer - getting software for free and just knocking up a quick article about it - but the truth is one has to spend numerous hours researching stuff in order to write knowledgeably about matters, for to criticise something in error and wrongly affect people's opinion of a product would be unforgiveable! So in the case of reviewing aircraft and add-ons for flight sims (as I do), there are countless boring hours of repeating the same flight over and over again with different configurations and in different weather etc, etc, loading it into Vista, then XP, then FSX, then FS9, then on a laptop with a different graphics card etc, etc, not to mention poring over technical books and measuring the accuracy of 3D models and flight modeling. Frankly, if all I was interested in was getting the plane for free, it would be far less hassle simply to buy it and not have to do the review! But, since I like writing reviews, and think it offers a valuable service to do so, I indulge in this kind of thing. So don't be too harsh on people if they lose enthusiasm for things JCWolf, in the end people appreciate your work, just not everyone is cut out for doing that sort of thing, if everyone was, the world would be a bit dull. and you can never be certain of someone's reason for not showing up, it may well be very reasonable. Chock __________________

11-12-07, 12:03 AM	#7
Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	JC I'm avaible to test your mod. I use stock 1.4b. all my mods can be disable if nessary. Just tell me what I need and what I should do to test your stock mod! __________________

11-12-07, 02:01 AM	#9
Friedl9te Lieutenant Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Austria Posts: 268 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Obviously you adressed me, but there is no reason to be disappointed. You promised to provide a link for DL last week. I waited every day. Then the weekend came and I was out for a two day holiday, and as it was supposed to be a holiday I was far away from any PC. Returned home yesterday afternoon, I saw that there is a link now, but the link is broken, passed by, dead. Sorry mate, ... This is not a complaint in any way I just wanted to make some things clear. Besides, I haven`t installed a stock version either, but for ßtesting your mod, I would have installed it from scratch. I appreciate what you do for SHIII, but maybe we do not fit together so I recommend to find some other guys to do the ßtesting. __________________ Gute Jagd Ihr Himmelhunde Friedl9te Friedl9te SilentHunter III Help Thread (Sorry in German)

11-12-07, 03:36 AM	#11
AOTD_MadMax Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bremen/Germany Posts: 749 Downloads: 71 Uploads: 1	Hi JC, dont be desapointed ! I would help if i could but my time is realy short cause first iam working on the 7. AOTD-onlinecampaign and second iam working on my ships so there is not enough time for testing. Think positive mate, there will be enough tester around here. Allure them with some chocolate and they come. Best regards Maddy __________________ AOTD is gone, iam the last survivor ........

11-11-07, 11:17 PM	#3
slow_n_ez Officer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Astoria , Oregon Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hummm.. thought I saw your beta testing slots were full for the time being .... anyways , if you like I can help you with observations and screen shots when needed .... I run stock SH3 patched to 1.4b ...... I can always start a new career with no other mods installed ...... I play one patrol per day .... sometimes more if I feel blood thirsty

11-12-07, 03:39 AM	#12
Venatore Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Australia:- Sydney Posts: 2,049 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	Stay the course my friend, stay the course. What makes Beta testing so dam difficult is the following; Language barriers. Distance. Ability not to talk face to face. Beta Tester knowledge base. No Beta Tester manual (report layout, details required etc). Real life. Other information that must be given to the creator of the mod by the Beta Testers is PC hardware configuration etc. I may look into making a PDF Beta Tester guide this may stop this type of scenario from happening.:hmm:

11-12-07, 06:20 AM	#14
lutzow Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DanziG Posts: 819 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	I'm agree with Onelifecrisis - i passed the same way and i'm still with you. And you missed me too in your ''DOUBT'' thread. I'm thinked that i don't understanding everything but now all is clear I sended you a big report with images after checking first alpha - how you can forgot me in your ''DOUBT'' thread? __________________ Lutzow http://hosted.filefront.com/Lutzow1

11-12-07, 06:20 AM	#15
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	And now I try to login to your forum and the beta test forum has vanished? I guess I've been removed from the list of people who can see it? :hmm: So be it. I wish you luck finding "better" testers mate. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.