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U-Cass · 11-11-07, 07:00 PM

Just starting out on 100% realism. OLC's mod. Big Problem. When it's dark I find it difficult to

a) identify flag

b) calculate range/AOB (periscope depth)

how do others do this would like to see methods used :hmm:

TarJak · 11-11-07, 08:07 PM

You do what a real Kaleun would have done. Shot first and asked questions later, or creep up nice and close and hope they don't see you.

AOB and speed calc etc is explained in a whole bunch of threads. Good ole manual fireing! Get OLC's new GUI cos it can actually make this task a little easier and accessible from the periscope screen.

Packerton · 11-11-07, 09:28 PM

Sometimes the only way to identify a flag (if its a single merchant) is to simply get them all riled up by fireing a deck gun shell at em.

If you simply cant identify the flag outside of minimal torpedo range, simply forget about the ship.

you dont gotta take out everything you see.

TarJak · 11-11-07, 09:51 PM

Hey Pack why not? Sink 'em all!

:rotfl::rotfl:

Packerton · 11-11-07, 10:00 PM

If only the viable targets were set to all for a period of time as it was in Real Life

onelifecrisis · 11-12-07, 06:43 AM

Hi again U-Cass

About the flags... yep, well, that's the problem with it being dark

About getting the range/aob... normally, just use the range/aob finder. On really dark nights, bringing down the range/aob finder can make it impossible to actually see the target ship (because of the contrast between the two) so in those situations I suggest before lowering it you count vertical marks using the marking lines on the side of the scope, and only then lower the range/aob finder to calculate the range. If you know the convoy's course you can calculate the AOB from that - or, again, count marks using the lines on the scope.

Hope this helps
OLC

onelifecrisis · 11-12-07, 06:46 AM

On topic, sort of...

In GWX IIRC I get a radio message at some point during the war telling me that it's OK to shoot neutral ships if they aren't properly lit-up.

I could be mistaken but I'm sure I remember seeing US ships sailing with UK ships in a convoy early in the war, which were not lit up.

Is my memory playing tricks? If my memory is right... can I shoot those US ships and get renown for it?

Torplexed · 11-12-07, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I could be mistaken but I'm sure I remember seeing US ships sailing with UK ships in a convoy early in the war, which were not lit up.

Is my memory playing tricks? If my memory is right... can I shoot those US ships and get renown for it?

I've seen this too. You do get your renown docked if you attack neutrals....even in a convoy full of legitimate targets.

onelifecrisis · 11-12-07, 07:18 AM

Ah, okay, good to know... thanks Torplexed

U-Cass · 11-12-07, 03:48 PM

OLC. Hi Again. Since downloading your mod I have installed it. Done loads of testing, found it hard work doing everything manually. Uninstalled it...found map updates etc way to easy and missed your Brilliant HUD's. Installed it continued career and first ship I came against (pitch black night) fired 4 torps missed (my errors) went alongside and only by being within 400-700 yards tell it was a german merchant. All because it was pitch black november alongside norway!

I know I can't go back to 74% realism. At night have decided to plot course (using 3min rule) get in firing range (90% AOB) wait until spot flag then fire. (Unless you can add neutral/enemy/ours from WO that would be nice)

Where a Patrol lasted 2 evening sessions on 74%, maybe 3/4 sessions on 100%.

God knows when I hit a convoy.

U49 · 11-15-07, 05:15 PM

In RL the subs sometimes trailed a potential target for many hours until they could determine, whether it would be an authorized target or should be allowed to pass unharmed....

Puts more reality to it, if you trail and identify it in the next mornings daylight...

Otto Von Strunf · 11-15-07, 05:48 PM

hey, it is easy if she dont have lights on, it is not yours, SINK HER

Sailor Steve · 11-15-07, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by U49

In RL the subs sometimes trailed a potential target for many hours until they could determine, whether it would be an authorized target or should be allowed to pass unharmed....

Puts more reality to it, if you trail and identify it in the next mornings daylight...

Oh, sure, just be realistic!:rotfl:

Actually, I had forgotten that. You're right, they did sometimes shadow for hours until they were sure of the target.

The Butcher · 11-15-07, 08:51 PM

That's why we play Realistic not easyistic.

PapaG39 · 11-15-07, 09:33 PM

Just because it has the lights off you can't assume that it is an enemy. Wouldn't a German merchant also have the lights off? I believe the Brits also had a few subs out and about...

11-11-07, 07:00 PM	#1
U-Cass Mate Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 51 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	100% Just starting out on 100% realism. OLC's mod. Big Problem. When it's dark I find it difficult to a) identify flag b) calculate range/AOB (periscope depth) how do others do this would like to see methods used :hmm: __________________ A Frog, A Pond, The Frog jumped, PLOP!

11-11-07, 09:28 PM	#3
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Sometimes the only way to identify a flag (if its a single merchant) is to simply get them all riled up by fireing a deck gun shell at em. If you simply cant identify the flag outside of minimal torpedo range, simply forget about the ship. you dont gotta take out everything you see. __________________ GWX crew member. Come Hell or High water, we get it done!

11-11-07, 09:51 PM	#4
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Hey Pack why not? Sink 'em all!:rotfl::rotfl:

11-11-07, 10:00 PM	#5
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	If only the viable targets were set to all for a period of time as it was in Real Life __________________ GWX crew member. Come Hell or High water, we get it done!

11-12-07, 06:43 AM	#6
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Hi again U-Cass About the flags... yep, well, that's the problem with it being dark About getting the range/aob... normally, just use the range/aob finder. On really dark nights, bringing down the range/aob finder can make it impossible to actually see the target ship (because of the contrast between the two) so in those situations I suggest before lowering it you count vertical marks using the marking lines on the side of the scope, and only then lower the range/aob finder to calculate the range. If you know the convoy's course you can calculate the AOB from that - or, again, count marks using the lines on the scope. Hope this helps OLC __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard. Last edited by onelifecrisis; 11-12-07 at 06:55 AM.

11-11-07, 08:07 PM	#2
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	You do what a real Kaleun would have done. Shot first and asked questions later, or creep up nice and close and hope they don't see you. AOB and speed calc etc is explained in a whole bunch of threads. Good ole manual fireing! Get OLC's new GUI cos it can actually make this task a little easier and accessible from the periscope screen.

11-12-07, 06:46 AM	#7
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	On topic, sort of... In GWX IIRC I get a radio message at some point during the war telling me that it's OK to shoot neutral ships if they aren't properly lit-up. I could be mistaken but I'm sure I remember seeing US ships sailing with UK ships in a convoy early in the war, which were not lit up. Is my memory playing tricks? If my memory is right... can I shoot those US ships and get renown for it? __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

11-12-07, 07:18 AM	#9
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Ah, okay, good to know... thanks Torplexed __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

11-12-07, 03:48 PM	#10
U-Cass Mate Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 51 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	OLC. Hi Again. Since downloading your mod I have installed it. Done loads of testing, found it hard work doing everything manually. Uninstalled it...found map updates etc way to easy and missed your Brilliant HUD's. Installed it continued career and first ship I came against (pitch black night) fired 4 torps missed (my errors) went alongside and only by being within 400-700 yards tell it was a german merchant. All because it was pitch black november alongside norway! I know I can't go back to 74% realism. At night have decided to plot course (using 3min rule) get in firing range (90% AOB) wait until spot flag then fire. (Unless you can add neutral/enemy/ours from WO that would be nice) Where a Patrol lasted 2 evening sessions on 74%, maybe 3/4 sessions on 100%. God knows when I hit a convoy. __________________ A Frog, A Pond, The Frog jumped, PLOP!

11-15-07, 05:15 PM	#11
U49 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: D/Niedersachsen Posts: 777 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	In RL the subs sometimes trailed a potential target for many hours until they could determine, whether it would be an authorized target or should be allowed to pass unharmed.... Puts more reality to it, if you trail and identify it in the next mornings daylight... __________________ SH3 battle capability upgrades: GWX2.0, JSGME2.0, SH3Commander 2.7, SH3Gen 0.8.2, TorpDamageMod 2.0, OLC GUI 1.1.5 Awaiting combat readiness for GWX2.0: SH4 effetcs for SH3, SH3Weather 1.5 Following development of: www.subwolves.com Realism: 90%

11-15-07, 05:48 PM	#12
Otto Von Strunf Seaman Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: far and beyond Posts: 31 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	hehe hey, it is easy if she dont have lights on, it is not yours, SINK HER __________________ Only deference betveen ships and submarines is that submarine can surface

11-15-07, 08:51 PM	#14
The Butcher Loader Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 85 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	That's why we play Realistic not easyistic.

11-15-07, 09:33 PM	#15
PapaG39 Frogman Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 297 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Just because it has the lights off you can't assume that it is an enemy. Wouldn't a German merchant also have the lights off? I believe the Brits also had a few subs out and about...