At Least Seven Dead in School Shooting

[CptSimFreak]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Sad individual. I don't think girl rejection would be it. Hell I got rejected loads of times.

From reading the wiki link to that eco fascist guy who his mother likes no wonder.

when you're getting some, world is always a better place

[baggygreen]

He seems, like sky and others have said, to contradict himself often.

Happytimes said before that the media is jumping on the 'violent computer games' theory, i doubt he ever played a game! from what i read into it, he would've hated supprting the capitalist moneymakers that release the games....

The real source if this idiot is his mother. Can she be charged with manslaughter, or maybe involuntary manslaughter for bringing her kid up so messed up? I doubt it, but sometimes i think it wouldnt be a bad thing... maybe she can be charged instead for supporting nazism?> isnt that a crime in europe or something??

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

He seems, like sky and others have said, to contradict himself often.

Happytimes said before that the media is jumping on the 'violent computer games' theory, i doubt he ever played a game! from what i read into it, he would've hated supprting the capitalist moneymakers that release the games....

The real source if this idiot is his mother. Can she be charged with manslaughter, or maybe involuntary manslaughter for bringing her kid up so messed up? I doubt it, but sometimes i think it wouldnt be a bad thing... maybe she can be charged instead for supporting nazism?> isnt that a crime in europe or something??

He did play a lot but i dont believe anyone comes crazy by playing.
I am so irritated that the media spins this against games, movies and guns.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7084045.stm

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...ing/index.html

[porphy]

Very tragic event.

I am so irritated that the media spins this against games, movies and guns.

They always do that, it is easy and connects to something that shows violent behaviour. But the Nazis didn't have computer games, did they? Go figure what is more likely to twist a persons mind in this way.

[Happy Times]

And now we know the girl that dumbed him and got engaged to another.
She is from Denmark and is also a "philosofer".

http://www.youtube.com/user/tanascheel

There you can follow the comments.
These young people are facked up. They seem to be over the Western world..

tanascheel | November 07, 2007
ALL OF YOU WILL BE BLOCKED AND DELETED

Im evil? No, I never killed anyone I never asked him to kill anyone I never told his weak ass to kill anyone or forced him too. A lot of people get rejected without resorting to murder. He did what he did because of who he was.

You people commenting here and on his profile are doing it for your own 2 minutes of fame and dont know **** about the facts so **** OFF losers.

Guldfisk21 | November 07, 2007
Seriously it's a good thing you dumped his ass, he failed to even come close to Cho's highscore, what a loser.

SpecialAttackTeam | November 07, 2007
HE KILLED THOSE FAGGOT STUDENTS BY HIS OWN CHOICE, TANA WAS RIGHT, HE WAS WEAK AND WORTHLESS.

**** YOU ALL

**** THE FAGGOT STUDENTS

And if you got something to say, say to ME, not Tana....I bullied him WAY MORE than she did.

Finish people can eat **** and die, that punk shot them on his own choice!!

AryanKrieg | November 07, 2007
If anyone pushed that scrawny fagot to do what he did it was me. I called him on all of his bull****. His fake claims and nonsense.

[DeepSix]

Good grief. As abhorrent as suicide is, if he'd really wanted to be a "natural selector" he'd have selected himself to start with. Naturally.

[joea]

Originally Posted by kranz

cool idea :rotfl:
but the guy isn't cool

Please leave thank you.

[Happy Times]

Seems the new boyfriend is from US and has provoked him in to doing this. They all laugh about it, i have read this mysef. My question is, can he get something for it?
IMO he should.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Seems the new boyfriend is from US and has provoked him in to doing this. They all laugh about it, i have read this mysef. My question is, can he get something for it?
IMO he should.

when is intention a "real intention"? Should we hold people responsible for "intention" not yet formed into deeds? Or is influencing somebody's mind by using words already a deed?

That is interesting to compare to the following case, fresh from The Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/...207426,00.html

that boyfriend from the US has done nothing bad in deeds, "only" voiced bad thoughts, and it is up to us to make speculations if he was serious, if he really planned for it and would have done it, etc. But he voiced encouragement of such deeds.

in case of the "lyrical terrorist", she also has not done anything bad in deeds, but expressed doing so in her thoughts, plus she collected a stockpoile of manuals and scriptures that are not so harmless anymore.

In Germany we currently have a debate on wether the participation in terror training camps should be under penalty, or if we need to wait until such a training gets used in practice for commiting a bombing plot. Many people say that letting yourself getting trained as a terrorist is not a crime. I have a problem with that view.

So:

In case of the lyrical terrorist, I agree with the court's sentence.

In case of letting yourself trained as a terrorist, I think this illustrates not just curiosity, and does not compare to getting a license for sports shooting, but illustrates a hostile intention. Thus it should be under penalty - and not smaller penalty than actually having participated in the planning of a terror attack. Because that is what it actually is.

In case of the boyfriend from the US - we need more info on him. Has he been a boisterous, cocky teenager in the midst of puberty (hell, on class vacation at the age of 16 I tried to set a wooden bridge on flames with 12 scrolls of toilet paper - even the scrolls themselves did not burn, but only produced some gloom...), or has he been bitterly determined to bring misery upon people?

In principle, I would say that people beyond a certain age (that should be seen as a phase, not as a fixed point in time, since we all develope our personalities at individual speeds) are responsible for their intentions as well, and should be held accountable for their intentions, if these intentions are no boisterous exaggerations, but were meant for real. But often that is a very close call to make, a difficult decision: when is an intention meant for real, when it is not? Maybe that is why the law is relatively shy on them, but I see a weakness in our legal codes here. the girl calling hersel a lyrical terrorist actually gave me the impression that she was meaning what she was writing and collecting, thus I hold her responsible for it. If you travel to the other side of the globe and let yourself being trained as a bombslinger and assassin in Pakistan, you do not book an adventure holiday only, but must be assumed to mean the real deal, that's why you should be held responsible for it.

But I am not certain what to think of this boyfriend from the US. Too little info. Let's wait a while.

[Spoon 11th]

Some may find this distasteful, but I laughed:

http://www.lihavakissa.net/finnchan....sturmgeist.swf

[Happy Times]

Ive read so much that i think its clear he was in love with the Danish girl. And her leaving him and ridiculing in public with her new fiance drove him over.
The girl is 22 and the American guy is 23, he is a hardcore neonazi btw, not teens anymore.
I also found the killer praising Linkola on a Finnish forum, so his mother can think about that.

Only in Finnish, sorry.

http://keskustelu.suomi24.fi/show.fc...00000024718235

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by waste gate

Because I don't think it serves any purpose. It doesn't stop the next crazy from doing it. More resources should be placed on preventing future episodes. By that I mean letting it be known that the easy opportunity of shooting up a school full of easy victims doesn't exist.

I can't see such measures affecting the mentally ill. Someone who believes that shooting up his/her school isn't going to be reasoned with, at least not in a deterrence situation.
Whereas, if we could actually get down to the root causes of this kind of behaviour (in this case it seems to be a very unhealthy home environment), observe the indicators, we could take more effective measures against them.
I say "against them", if a teenager believes that he/she has to shoot up a school, serious psychiatric care is required.
Investigating causes/disorders could in fact, stop the next one. Personally, I don't believe we'll ever be without these events. I'd be worried about total preventative measures creating more problems than they would solve.

Anything's better than vilification of something just because we don't understand it.

[STEED]

Another scumbag that took innocent lives for there warped belief.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I can't see such measures affecting the mentally ill. Someone who believes that shooting up his/her school isn't going to be reasoned with, at least not in a deterrence situation.
Whereas, if we could actually get down to the root causes of this kind of behaviour (in this case it seems to be a very unhealthy home environment), observe the indicators, we could take more effective measures against them.
I say "against them", if a teenager believes that he/she has to shoot up a school, serious psychiatric care is required.
Investigating causes/disorders could in fact, stop the next one. Personally, I don't believe we'll ever be without these events. I'd be worried about total preventative measures creating more problems than they would solve.

Anything's better than vilification of something just because we don't understand it.

Whereas, if we could actually get down to the root causes of this kind of behaviour (in this case it seems to be a very unhealthy home environment), observe the indicators, we could take more effective measures against them.

That opens a whole other can of worms with regard to personal freedoms(civil liberty). Who makes the decision as to state of mind. I for one wouldn't want that responsibility.

Investigating causes/disorders could in fact, stop the next one.

This isn't a recent phenomenon. This type of thing has been going on for quite some time. Trying to understand why it happens hasn't yielded an end to it. Time to try someting different and let it be known that this type of behavior will be met with deadly physical force.

Personally, I don't believe we'll ever be without these events. I'd be worried about total preventative measures creating more problems than they would solve.

I agree with you on this Tchocky. That it why it would be wise to allow people the ability to defend themselves ISO making them lawful victims.

wg

[Happy Times]

They really are networked, his friend Dillon Cossey was arrested last month in Philadelphia for planning an attack to his school.

http://www.thetrenchcoat.com/mcs/Dil...thekiller4.htm

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news...or_mother.html