Silent Hunter IV U-Boat Mission add-on

[MorganThePirate]

I am not interested. I won't play in an U-boat. Donalisa idea of a total warfare could be a much better possibility.

[Chock]

With regard to a 'Cold War' subsim from UBI, sure why not? I can see that some people might not like it and that's fair enough, since it would have to largely go into the realms of fantasy if any shooting were to take place, and clearly that rubs some people up the wrong way judging by this thread.

But there are at least some events which can be extrapolated to create a believable combat scenario, notably the persistent rumours about a limited submarine war actually having taken place in 1968, which would form an interesting backdrop, since that 'event' supposedly involved France, Israel, the US and the USSR, so plenty of diverse sub types there, and plenty of geographic scope too! All taking place slap bang in the middle of proxy wars in South East Asia, South America and Central Africa too, none of which there is any doubt about. Failing that, it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to imagine a scenario where things heat up between Russia, China and the US in present or near-future times.

Anyone who has played the Dangerous Waters campaign will know that much of it is surveillance and dropping off special forces, that sort of thing, rather than shooting everything in sight, and there is far more emphasis on the cat and mouse aspect of submarine warfare than the firing, as is the case with the SH series. That's not everyone's cup of tea of course, but don't forget that modern submarines also add the ability to strike land targets many miles from their location, not to mention launching nuclear weapons, which does present the possibility of some very interesting scenarios. Then you have things like SOSUS, going under the polar ice caps and the like, so there is a wealth of fodder for an action-packed Cold War/Modern scenario if a developer decides to go for it, and I should imagine it would have a wider appeal than a WW2 sub sim, which, like it or not, is regarded 'ancient history' by many younger people.

Chock

[AVGWarhawk]

Good point Chock on modern sub sim and the possiblities. Maybe involve the first Iraq war in the scenerios?

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Good point Chock on modern sub sim and the possiblities.

UBI does a good job with the game settings, so this would give it a much broader appeal than current modern subsims. I have Sub Command, but the learning curve was just to steep ( or maybe I was just to lazy ) and I lost interest.


RDP

[Rykaird]

Interesting thread. Surprising, even.

Anyway, from my small window on the world:

SH4 expansion in the works: Good Thing
U-Boats with SH4 graphics: Good Thing
Continued development and investment in the SH product line: Good Thing

Nope, not seeing any bad news whatsoever here.

Look at the forum participation on SHIII - it runs at roughly 2/3 that of SHIV. When you introduce a new product in a series - and this is true of all products, not just games - you want to migrate your customer base to the new platform, churn this install base, and reap the associated revenues. So if Ubi notices a lot of folks continuing to play SHIII and not moving to SHIV - and most importantly, not paying for the new game - you can bet they're holding serious meetings asking themselves why.

There are several obvious reasons why folks stick with SHIII. One of those reasons - not the only one, of course - is that some customers simply prefer U-Boats. I'm one of those folks. (Although I actually own 2 copies of SHIV - one DD to get it fast, and one ordered through Subsim to support the forums).

This is simply removing a customer migration barrier. I think its great.

[Hartmann]

i´m still with sh3 but i will move to sh4 in the future with the last patch and the big mods packs. and better if there are u boats, because i like a lot the pacific campaign since Sh1, but the same with the atlantic campaign since "Aces of the deep" .

Adding u-boats to sh4 can help to the sh3 GWX people move to the new sh4 enviroment and buy the game. also it can boost the new mods creation about other theaters of war. and is good for ubi, new sh4 sales from the sh3 users.

Everybody wins with this market movement.

[aanker]

Originally Posted by sober

I wonder how many new ships there will be in the addon ?

The Roster of new ships available (to sink) in the 'global campaign layers' is what I am excited about.

I would love to be assigned a few missions in the Atlantic in my GATO class as many US Subs were in RL before / inbetween patrols in the Pacific ... even if I have to learn how to write my own ICL.

Art

[Taskeen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Hmm does seem a bit odd when you consider this was one of the the smallest sub campaigns in WW2.. and that its already been 'unofficially' covered in SH3.... (*cough, GWX, cough!*)
Playable Japanese / British boats or Destroyer command or even just an import of SH3/atlantic campaign would have been more welcome.
The IXD2 will be lifted straight out of SH3 for sure (they'll probably just reskin it)

I was thinking about this as well. They explained no Japanese subs simply because they didn't have much significance (which is an argument used by plenty of people)... yet, they were used. It's up to the player to see how significant or successful they can be. That's what I think.

Kudos to them for at least bringing German subs back into the fray.

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by aanker

I would love to be assigned a few missions in the Atlantic in my GATO class as many US Subs were in RL before / inbetween patrols in the Pacific

Art

Yes there were a few US subs in the Atlantic mainly on defensive picket duty up and down the US east coast to the Caribbean

Subron 50 were the only ones to go into European waters AFAIK

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87...t_victory.html

But I suppose with the addon making some German units available its possible for traffic to be added to the ATO within SH4 to allow US subs to patrol over that way too
Even adding Subron 50 as flotilla and working out of the UK

Opens up a world of possibilities

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MorganThePirate

I am not interested. I won't play in an U-boat. Donalisa idea of a total warfare could be a much better possibility.

"Donalisa" :hmm: ....he'll love that :rotfl:

Welcome aboard Kaleun Taskeen

[Taskeen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Hmm does seem a bit odd when you consider this was one of the the smallest sub campaigns in WW2.. and that its already been 'unofficially' covered in SH3.... (*cough, GWX, cough!*)
Playable Japanese / British boats or Destroyer command or even just an import of SH3/atlantic campaign would have been more welcome.
The IXD2 will be lifted straight out of SH3 for sure (they'll probably just reskin it)

I was thinking about this as well. They explained no Japanese subs simply because they didn't have much significance (which is an argument used by plenty of people)... yet, they were used. It's up to the player to see how significant or successful they can be. That's what I think.

Kudos to them for at least bringing German subs back into the fray. Also, the point of playing as any of the 'Axis' Nations is not to win, it is to keep yourself alive, and keeping the guy next to you alive (or in the case of a submarine, you're whole crew!). I'm just glad simulation and strategy games actually let you play as other nations that fought! WW2 FPS shooters, for example, are always the same freakin' thing and are way behind in this area.

I say they should keep going with the WW2 theme for Silent Hunter. There are plenty of nations that fought that used submarines. In fact, an all encompassing simulation of the many nations that used submarines would be ideal for the next Silent Hunter, instead of only one. German, British, American, Russia, Finland, Italy, Japan, etc.

[rascal101]

Good call Ms Gray, Cold war sub sim, boring as bat ****, 'Oh captain, the Rusians said America smells, the bastards, dive dive dive! and that follks was the amasing new cold war sub sim from Ubi, SH5 the one where nothing much happens but you get a front row seat watching it!

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

Case 3: play as the British in their theatres of operation

Case 4: Play as the Japanese maybe!

Cold war subsim would be boring as hell, you wouldn't actually do anything just effectively spy on the other side. Which is why if you are going to do a modern day submarine sim then I'd go for a fictitious "war" that happened say at the turn of the millenium or something.... I don't know... some large terrorist faction emerges and has their own navy, or an African nation goes rogue or something well... it would need a good story...

WW2 gives subsims a good story already straight of the bat. But I don't think that WW2 should be abandoned in lieu of modern day subs... rather modern day subs being a choice as well as WW2...

[hyperion2206]

Originally Posted by rascal101

Good call Ms Gray, Cold war sub sim, boring as bat ****, 'Oh captain, the Rusians said America smells, the bastards, dive dive dive! and that follks was the amasing new cold war sub sim from Ubi, SH5 the one where nothing much happens but you get a front row seat watching it!

Oh boy, this post is really informative and really well written! Warning: This post may contain sarcasm.

[Penelope_Grey]

:rotfl::rotfl:

Good call Ms Gray, Cold war sub sim, boring as bat ****, 'Oh captain, the Rusians said America smells, the bastards, dive dive dive! and that follks was the amasing new cold war sub sim from Ubi, SH5 the one where nothing much happens but you get a front row seat watching it!

You're a real comedian... with material like that, you could be on stage!



sweeping it that is.

[Snuffy]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

... You're a real comedian... with material like that, you could be on stage!



sweeping it that is.

Actually I was thinking more along the lines of .... "There's one leaving town in 20 minutes ... be on it!"